Episode #10 "Provincetown Poltergeist" with Psychic Medium Heather Carlucci

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Theme Song
You come to me when I'm lonely. I take your hand and we go home. You cover me with your you with my.

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Speaker 2
The oceans have long captivated the human imagination. Tales of sirens, mermaids, ghostly shipwrecks and all sorts of spooky ocean creatures have captivated our imagination. As long as we can remember. But what happens when your favorite beach town holds a ghost that just won't leave you alone? Heather Carlucci is a psychic, medium and medical intuitive. She's been talking to dead people for as long as she can remember.

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Speaker 2
But tonight, she's talking to us, and she's going to share a spooky tale. Because this is ghost stories by the fire. And I'm your host, Sasha Graham.

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Sasha
My name. Lovely. Hi, Heather. Thank you so much for being here.

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Heather
Thank you for having me. Sasha, I'm so excited to be here.

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Sasha
Yeah, me too. So I want to ask you, when you were growing up, when you were young, did your family believe in ghosts?

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Heather
Yes, they did. They did. To a certain extent, most definitely. I had a great aunt that was very much sort of had the same strength that I have. And everybody went to psychics of some kind or another. So it was definitely in the family. It was definitely the family.

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Sasha
So your your family had a habit of visiting psychics?

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Heather
Yes, definitely. My mother, like, first and foremost. And then, of course, people would go to my aunt's house and and for her for readings. But I did not find that out until later. But it was it was.

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Sasha
How old were you when you found out your aunt was a medium?

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Heather
Well, I had I had a moment with her in which, you know, she was babysitting me for the day and went over to her apartment because we all sort of lived in the same neighborhood in the Bronx. Right. And she told me not to go into one corner of her bedroom, single however you want in the bedroom. But don't go in that corner, because those are the people that I speak to.

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Heather
And I said, I see the people that you speak to. And then, of course, you like, took interest. I found and we talked about it a bit then I don't remember it much. I was pretty young at the time. I must have been maybe six years old. But I was to find out later as the story went that, you know, we lived in a very well.

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Heather
It was a very diverse neighborhood, but there was a big Italian population and so very big with the Catholic Church. And I heard my grandmother tell me years later when I was an adult that the priest came and told her to, like, lock it down, like don't be doing readings for the ladies in the because it was, you know, anti church even they were going to her for advice instead of the priest and that she did something called tabling which I thought it was just a thing that she did like she had a triangle shaped table.

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Heather
I found out years later that it's a thing.

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Sasha
What is table?

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Heather
As I was, it was explained to me what she did. It's a triangle shaped table. And she would ask questions and it would sort of like not all the legs were even and it would kind of bang. Yes or no? Like one or two.

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Sasha
So was your family Catholic? No.

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Heather
I mean, we were you know, we were lapsed Catholic many generations back. You know, we were entrepreneurs. That was our church.

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Sasha
Like.

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Heather
You know, on Sunday, you just worked harder and got home early for dinner. You know, that's kind of what we were We were we were like immigrants, like True Blue. And on the other side, I was Jewish. And also we were just, you know, we were working people.

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Sasha
So did your mother does your mother share any of the mediumship gifts? Was it was your mother's sister?

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Heather
No, it was my it was it was my great aunt. So it was her. It was her her first on my mom. I would say she has some moments that are unbelievable. Like truly amazing. She would not call herself this, but she's in there somewhere. It really is.

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Sasha
Do you think that her psychic ability or the ability to speak to the dead, does that tend to run in families? In other words, if you have someone, an aunt or a grandmother who is incredibly psychic or intuitive, do you think that you might have a higher chance of being that way yourself?

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Heather
You know, I'd like to think some. To some extent it is like that. Some of it is just knowing that somebody else in your family can do it and therefore, you know, sort of tapping you, feeling easier about tapping in. But I think everybody has this just the different rates and whether or not we're kind of open to seeing how deep our intuition can go.

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Heather
So I think to a certain extent, the acceptance of it in a familial setting is is one thing. You know, but who's to say, we know so little about this, you know?

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Sasha
So you're a psychic medium and medical intuitive. So when did you first realize, like, how old were you when you realized that you were seeing things and hearing things perhaps that other people weren't.

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Heather
Around that age? Is, as I was saying, like around six or seven years old. At around eight, I realized about the medical intuitive part, and that was that was sort of the biggest because I think when you're that young and things are happening and you're reading things and you're either predicting things or just seeing things coming or seeing whatever, you know, dead people, you know, you think everybody can it's not until you realize that other people aren't that you realize that you have something.

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Heather
The medical part was was the most obvious to me because as I recall, the one time in particular, a different group on the other side of the family of great aunts were sitting around talking about a friend or a cousin. I don't remember who was ill. And they said, the doctor said it could be this or it could be that or whatever.

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Heather
And I remember hearing very strongly in my head pancreatic cancer. And I said something to one of my aunts, and she was like, Let's just not say that. And where did you get that from? But, you know, they kind of shut me down. And then we found out a couple of days later it was actually pancreatic cancer. Wow.

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Heather
And that kind of stuck with me because I was like, it's so obvious what it was, you know, with a child as your child, you don't question yourself all the time. You're just like, well, duh, you know, here we are.

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Sasha
Like.

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Heather
I know it's pancreatic cancer.

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Sasha
How can you not see that right? So when you say you heard a voice inside of your head, did you actually what did it what did it feel like when you hear voices inside of your head, does it sound like someone else's voice? Is that a voice inside of you?

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Heather
It depends. I believe that with every clear sense, it has many different facets. I don't think there's one way of feeling something. I don't think there's one way of seeing it, seeing something. You know, sometimes we see things like, you know, sort of in your mind's eye, right? But you're seeing it. It's a vision. And sometimes you see things like it's in front of your face, you know.

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Heather
So that is an example hearing. There's many ways for hearing. Sometimes it feels like somebody else's voice. Sometimes it kind of mixes with with sort of like clear knowing you're like, you know it, but you're hearing it. The word is present in your body. But I wouldn't call it anything but hearing it. The when I when I hear things that have to do with medical and when I do medical, it feels very different to me than the psychic or the medium work.

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Heather
It comes in many different ways. When I hear things for that, like sometimes I'll hear a disease, I'll hear a body part. I don't know what they are. I'm not a trained doctor, which is why, luckily I work with doctors who don't. Don't, you know, shoo me away. They actually listen to what I have to say some of the time when I hear things, it's always it's always sort of like something that's somewhat a part of me.

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Heather
It doesn't feel like somebody else's voice.

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Sasha
Do you ever hear things that you don't want to hear?

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Heather
sure. I mean, sometimes I don't go to work, but, you know, you got to do the work, right? Do I sometimes hear things I don't want to hear? What do you mean by that?

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Sasha
In other words, like, have you ever have you ever heard voices, messages that were coming from, I don't know, like creepy dark energies, maybe something that, like, felt odd to you? Or in other words, does it ever feel intrusive, you know?

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Heather
No, nothing really feels intrusive. And I think a lot of that has to do with how you look at the work. I know for me, I don't believe that anything really dark and bad happens off of the earth, right? We are in the bad place. This is the difficult place. You know, if there's, like, a heaven and hell, we're probably sitting in the hell part.

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Heather
Because wherever we talk about something awful happening in hell, we've probably already done it to each other as humans are. We do horrible things to each other. And I believe that anything on the other side is not inherently dark. So when I pick up something that I'm like, okay, this is a little this is making me uncomfortable, I think about how it looks to me as far as what's bothering me about it.

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Heather
Why can I not see it clearly?

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Sasha
Interesting.

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Heather
And yeah.

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Sasha
And tell me what what is your sense of what happens to us when we die, when we cross over?

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Heather
What happens?

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Sasha
In other words, if if you're getting messages from, are people kind of always over there? Do we go back and forth for something from from one place to another? And do you believe in reincarnation?

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Heather
I do. I believe we come back and I believe we walk into each life with, as I can best describe it, threads from other lives. And I think sometimes there's a period of time in your life where the thread to a certain life comes through and then we're still living this life. And then another time some other thread sort of comes through.

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Heather
I don't think we hold every point of every life that we've ever had. I think that's so faceted and so unexplainable that we can't really break it all down all the time. As I read it, you know, you like a young I people like to talk in the terms of young and old souls. And I think that our view of that is a little skewed.

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Heather
But I think young souls have as many as 200 lives, and old souls have as many as a thousand, because human beings by and large don't really we don't really live that long, you know, And we've if you think about, you know, babies passing really fast or being stillborn, I mean, all this is included in that. So you can have many, many, many, many lives and still really not have a huge presence on the earth all the time.

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Sasha
Have you ever felt a connection to a past life of your own?

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Heather
yeah. I mean, I don't think you can. You know, it's when it comes through in readings, it's always fascinating. And I always ask permission because, you know, in a regular reading with me, you get a little bit of everything. We get psychic work, we get mediumship work, we get a little bit of medical. And I will ask because people don't usually expect it like, do you mind if I do a little past life work because I'm picking some stuff up and inevitably it makes sense to the person, you know, because we've all been everything.

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Heather
We've all been men, we've all been women, we've all been nonbinary, we've all lived all over the world. We've been kings, we've been, you know, poverty stricken. We've done, we've lived for thousands, you know, for a hundred years. Some of us have lived for no time at all. I mean, we've all done everything. There's there's a really quality when you think about past life work.

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Heather
You know, and it really puts somebody in a very, I think, humble state and a very basic state because it's sort of like, yeah, you know, I remember years ago I had a reading from the person that I go to every year for my birthday reading and the first time he ever read for me, he was talking about this past life of mine and he said, you know, it really connects you to it.

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Heather
And I was like, What? He kept talking about the piano, and I don't play the piano. I don't play any musical instrument. But he started bringing up a few things that nobody knew and it had to do with. When I was in elementary school, I knew any kind of keyed instrument, like anything that was remotely related to a piano.

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Heather
Harpsichord groups support all of that. I knew every single key, and when I was really little, I used to sit at my aunt's piano and be frustrated that my hands weren't working the way they were supposed to. And my cousins were like, No, I'll teach you. And I was like, No, I know how. And yet I get there and some my my hands were not working and I as a seven year old, I had an obsession with.

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Sasha
Scott Joplin.

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Heather
And anything to do with ragtime piano music. And he brought it up and I was like talking about a past life in which I was a piano player. And he kind of went on and on and on about it, and I was like, Holy crap, Of course it makes sense, right? Because I have this weird obsession about like, why couldn't I play?

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Heather
And to this day, when I watch somebody brilliant play the piano, there's both like a sense of love, a sense of home and a sense of unbelievable, like envy, because I can't do it in. I cannot. I cannot do it.

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Sasha
my goodness. So what? What does it ever feel strange to ever get information that you feel like you don't want to give someone?

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Heather
Yeah. Yeah, most definitely. You know, when I when that comes up, I have to remember the message is always for that person.

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Sasha
In.

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Heather
What might strike me as horrible may help them make sense of something. And if it comes in intensely, I will in my head ask for a different way to word it. If I do that a couple times and they don't change it, I have to go exactly with what I hear because it is not for me, it is for them.

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Heather
That's why the wording I always use is how exactly I hear everything. Because it's not for me. It's not for me to protect somebody. They came to me for a reason.

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Sasha
So in that sense, you're very much the messenger.

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Heather
I'm very much the messenger. I am careful. I am protective of them because. Because like, you know, this another human being who is in front of me being vulnerable. And it is important that I not judge anything that come up for them around them or anything. They'll understand it. Many times I've had to deliver some really intense messages.

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Heather
When I do deliver something really heavy, I will slow the pace at which I speak so it doesn't hit them as hard.

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Sasha


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Heather
Inevitably, even if somebody is upset, they're like, I'm so glad you said that. Now everything makes sense.

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Sasha
I want to go back to when you were a kid. What could you just could you share with us, like, the scariest thing that ever happened to you?

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Heather
When I was seven, seven or eight, we I grew up in projects called Park Chester, which is now like kind of a nice place to be. At the time it was sort of lower class projects and we lived there. And then out of nowhere we're like, we're moving to Fieldston, which, if you don't know, the area, is one of the most exclusive areas to live in the five boroughs.

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Heather
It's also in the Bronx. It's an area called Riverdale, and it's all mansions. And we moved into this house and it was a spooky, spooky house. It was obviously it was a lot because suddenly we went from projects to mansion, literally. It wasn't so much that my father came into a lot of money as he kind of like spent all of our money on this and we had nothing moving in.

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Heather
So basically we had our old furniture in this brilliant home. And what was crazy about this house, the couple had died in it. They were a childless German couple of obviously some substantial wealth because there was even a living made there. And hanging in that house was a Titian was an original Renaissance painting by the artist Titian. And the estate lawyers didn't know what to do with it.

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Heather
And they were like, We're going to leave it here until we find something to do with this painting.

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Sasha
That house was.

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Heather
That energy of that house was literally like, you could feel it. There was this very strange coat and it was all very renaissance, looking like it was it looked like it was very Game of Thrones to sort of be that it was wrought iron and it had a huge spiral staircase coming from like 20 feet up, you know, these huge 30 foot windows on either side of the living room.

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Heather
It was just the most crazy place My mother and I still talk about like, can you believe we lived in this place? And the spooky stuff that happened was like, you couldn't deny it. You really felt like people standing next to you, like that kind of thing. It was nuts. And I was always freaked out. I mean, I basically spent three years that we were there before my parents got divorced.

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Heather
my God. I was. I think I was like, in a corner crying all.

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Sasha
What was the spookiest? Like, what was your where did you, like, feel like what was the spooky room? And did you have an attic?

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Heather
We had an attic that I hated, and it was one of those pulled down doors. When the you know them, the step slid down, but it was right over my room, which, you know, no bueno. But, you know, it's one thing I used to do. I had this Nerf ball in my room and the room did not look like a child's room at all because remember the vibe of the house.

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Heather
But I did have all these built in bookshelves against one wall. And I was a messy kid and I just crammed stuff in. I could never find anything. I was always a little bit crazy and disorganized, you know, that artsy, weird kid? And of course, I was like, seeing dead people, like, all over the place in this house.

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Heather
And I had this Nerf ball, and when I couldn't find something, I used to throw it up in the air and it would drop and it would roll in a direction and I would always find the thing I was looking for. I forgot about that. No way. If I needed a book, if I needed a shirt, whatever it was, it was the spookiest thing.

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Heather
And I could hear, I thought as a kid, and I realized I probably did, because I am what I am. I could hear Frederica, the woman of Frederica Reinhart. The family's name was Reinhart. We still have their silver. I still have it in my like, they're fine silver like with all the like where the pickle forks and like the lobster knives and all that stuff.

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Heather
So I carry her energy around with me wherever I go, it seems. But yeah, I could hear her name often being said in the house.

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Sasha
wow. And I have to. I have to just go back to the Renaissance painting for the Titian for just a moment, because one one very incredible afternoon, my friend and I wound up in the cafe at the at MoMA after hours, like we were out on the terrace, kind of like drinking and having a great time. And by the time it closed, the whole the whole museum had closed and it was just us left, like kind of like walking.

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Sasha
And, and so we wound up walking through some of the galleries and it was just the two of us. And it was a wildly different experience to be among all of that incredible artwork without any one else.

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Heather
It's wild, isn't it?

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Sasha
I stopped and I looked at my favorite painting at the time, which was Christina's World, to really kind of, I don't know, like really kind of being present with with that painting. And and as I moved through the rest of it, I thought I realized as I was looking at the paintings, that I was picking up three different energy like, and again, this was because it was without the noise and of all the other like museum goers.

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Sasha
But I, but I realized I could kind of feel what that the painter was doing. I could feel the kind of energy of the painting itself, the intelligence of the painting that it's.

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Heather
Wild, isn't.

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Sasha
It? I also feel all the energy, the collective energy the painting had collected just by the mere fact that it was in a museum that people were giving it. So I just thought, my gosh, the painting art like this. There's so much that speaks to us if, if, if we're listening.

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Heather
Yeah. I have a dear friend who's an artist, a Canadian artist named David Harper, and he and I go to the Chelsea Galleries together whenever he's in town. And he and I walked into I don't remember the name of the artist. It's a Japanese American artist. And I walked up to him. And whenever we go, he's like, What do you feel and what are you picking up?

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Heather
What do you. And one of them I was it was a horrible feeling. I was like like I couldn't I was like, I can't be here. I was looking at all the paintings she had since passed and she came to such I won't even bring it up, but she came to such a horrible end in her life. And I was like, I need to take off my jacket.

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Heather
I'm too hot. I feel like there's something wrong. And and part of her death was fire. And and I was like, he was like he and he loves.

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Sasha
What I.

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Heather
When I dove into that because you can kind of like talk more about the art in that way.

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Sasha
Yeah.

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Heather
Like what, what the, you know, because art is basically putting universal intelligence into something that you're creating.

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Sasha
Right into a container.

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Heather
Into a container. And then, of course, as you were saying, people stand in front of it and people handle it. And with what reverence is it handled right? Where did it come from? Was it stolen? Was it was it returned? You know, there's a lot of things to consider in art and history and energy and how we pick it up.

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Sasha
So you are a born and bred New Yorker and New York, of course, New York City has such phenomenal history in and around it. Where do you think is the most haunted part of New York that you've experienced?

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Heather
Well, that house, for one. What is the most. That's a really good question. You know, funny enough, I spent a couple of years in Philly. I went to a year in college, and then I went to culinary school in Philadelphia. And that place freaks me out.

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Sasha
Philadelphia? Yeah, Philly is.

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Heather
Crazy, crazy, haunted. Like you cannot deny it. And at the time, like, you know, I was in college, so, like, you were living an apartment with a bunch of other, you know, students, and then you'd move to another one and the next, you know, semester, whatever. So I lived in other places, the dorms that I lived in, an art school was actually once an insane asylum.

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Heather
So, you know, there was always something going on. And then they started doing some building down by down by the waterfront. And they were finding Confederate soldiers like uniforms around skeletons is like built into the walls of of buildings. So, you know, anything. And it's funny because that you were leading into this because it does have to do with my ghost story.

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Heather
Actually, I have some sort of repellant with anything colonial. It must be a past life thing. I when I was in sixth grade, are like big field trip was to Colonial Williamsburg and I there was nobody more uncomfortable than me. I was like, what's wrong with this?

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Sasha
So I hate.

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Heather
Anything that's like Connecticut, Massachusetts. I'm like, like, I it's it's really like, I can't.

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Sasha
But that's so funny because now you just made me remember I had a horrifyingly ghostly field trip. I must have been I was living in Vermont at the time. I must have been in third or fourth grade. And, you know, Lake Champlain is right there with all of right there. That kind.

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Heather
Of history.

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Sasha
Yeah. The history where the Hudson, I think, kind of begins up there, the Hudson River. And so we went to Fort Ticonderoga and I just recall being in the stone fortress with mist everywhere. And for a second or third grader, I had this kind of very adult reaction to, like, bad things happened here, I don't want to be here and awful, but it was also romantic in a way that Gothic and I was just like, This is unbelievable.

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Sasha
This is crazy. It's wild. You believe in spirit guides?

00:27:49:12 - 00:28:16:00
Heather
Yes, I do believe in spirit guides. I, I don't think I believe in them the way a lot of people do with a certain structure. I don't think we can really call them out and know who is going to be our spirit guide. But yeah, I believe that we are definitely. I think if we listen enough, if we open ourselves enough up to it, I think it's, you know, I think half the time in a reading, somebody given me some information.

00:28:16:02 - 00:28:17:04
Heather
Yeah.

00:28:17:06 - 00:28:18:13
Sasha
What's so interesting.

00:28:18:13 - 00:28:37:05
Heather
There is I you know, I was reading about a physicist recently who was a little bit more off the grid, and he believed that if you listened enough, your future self was sending messages back to you or your past self or whatever your future self was sitting messages back. And I was like, You know me because I'm a science buff.

00:28:37:05 - 00:28:57:01
Heather
I'm like, man, I got to look up this guy. I jotted his name down somewhere, but I'm going to be sort of looking that up because I, I believe that we are all you know, I believe that time is sort of a very questionable thing and it really is made up. And I think everything's sort of happening in the same moment.

00:28:57:03 - 00:29:13:27
Heather
It's just a complexity to space. And I think we are I think we can in fact sort of learn from things. You know, I was I was talking to another medium cat in the army of the hungry. She goes by the hungry medium.

00:29:14:00 - 00:29:16:24
Sasha
And.

00:29:16:26 - 00:29:34:29
Heather
She always says, like, you know, you know the answer. Like sort of we were talking about the frustration of reading love for people. Everybody wants to know about this lover that love her. And really, we love to hear about ourselves. We like to hear about the romantic side, about ourselves from somebody else. We like to know there's hope.

00:29:35:02 - 00:29:38:18
Heather
But if you really think about it, you know the answer.

00:29:38:21 - 00:29:58:07
Sasha
Well, this is so I have I have a pendulum game from the sixties. I got it in an old thrift store that used to be on or it was like an old junk store on Lexington Avenue and 29th Street. And it's called The Mystic I and I remember the mystic. I It's so my God, is it still there?

00:29:58:09 - 00:30:02:09
Sasha
The mystic? I No, no, no. The the board, the game, the pendulum. There was a.

00:30:02:09 - 00:30:04:14
Heather
Store called The Mystic. I actually in.

00:30:04:14 - 00:30:05:04
Sasha
New York City.

00:30:05:12 - 00:30:07:25
Heather
Yeah, when I was growing up. Yeah.

00:30:07:27 - 00:30:09:26
Sasha
do you remember the magical tiles?

00:30:09:26 - 00:30:11:09
Heather
I do remember the magical time.

00:30:11:09 - 00:30:36:05
Sasha
Okay, we went so much. But when I. Whenever I use the mystic, I my pendulum, I find that it works. When when I don't know what I want. I use the pendulum. Because just to your point, I know that the answer is somewhere inside of me. But I'm probably clouded with emotion or clouded by desire. And I and so that's when I use the pendulum to find out deep down what I really want.

00:30:36:05 - 00:31:02:26
Sasha
Because subconsciously I'm thinking that it winds up moving to the the answer that is correct for me. And so, yeah, I think that I love the idea also that we might get messages from our future selves because often so so I'm often in in my my Catskill farmhouse and when I'm sort of I'm a big fan of candlelight all the time.

00:31:02:26 - 00:31:25:15
Sasha
So I use like a lot of candles at night. I don't like to have electricity. I love seeing twilight fall and the the light as it shifts. So I'm often walking through my house with nothing but a candle in my hands. And I often catch my reflection in, you know, if I'm walking past like some like your last one, I think, Am I haunting future inhabited parts to the house?

00:31:25:17 - 00:31:47:13
Sasha
And, you know, are there is maybe somebody 25 years from now, you're going to turn their head and see maybe a speck of vision of me walking by with it with a candle. I'd be that lady with a candle. And so I love this idea that that that hauntings or visions not only come from the past, but, of course, that they can come from the future.

00:31:47:15 - 00:32:04:05
Sasha
And what do you mean? In in all of these interesting places and spaces that you move between as a psychic medium, what do you find is the most mysterious thing that you encounter?

00:32:04:07 - 00:32:31:18
Heather
that's a good question. The most mysterious thing I encounter. Why the hell can I do this? Why on earth do there are certain things that happen in the course of a reading? Sometimes my hands will move in a certain way that is not mine, and I will show the client what I'm doing with my hands and they'll be like, my God, that was my grandmother's twitch.

00:32:31:20 - 00:32:58:16
Heather
Like that kind of thing. Or, well, like medical, the medical stuff. Me sort of coming up with like body parts and diseases I've never heard of. I don't know where those words come from, or even sometimes a word in a different language will come up that only the person knows. And I don't speak really any other languages that I mean, you know, I think the spookiest stuff is the stuff that like is so personal.

00:32:58:18 - 00:33:21:07
Heather
And for me it's like what comes flying out of my mouth, my body wants to move a certain way just to show the person. I will very often sort of as they manifest what's going on in somebody's body in my own life, My kidneys will hurt in a bit, you know, that kind of thing. To me, that's really spooky.

00:33:21:09 - 00:33:22:02
Sasha
Yeah.

00:33:22:05 - 00:33:41:25
Heather
When you don't really have you. I mean, I'm allowing it to happen, but I don't have full agency over my own body, I guess, in some way. I mean, I'm not exactly writhing on the floor against my my wishes, but, you know, certain things I'm allowing to go on. I'm like, why am I doing this with my with my hand or whatever?

00:33:41:25 - 00:33:49:04
Heather
And, you know, it's like, my God, you know, that person will know exactly what I'm doing. And if they don't know it in the moment, they'll think of it the next day.

00:33:49:06 - 00:33:58:19
Sasha
So would you believe that demonic possession or just possessions is is definitely a possible. It is a possible thing.

00:33:58:22 - 00:34:15:01
Heather
No. And this is why I believe somebody asked me the other day, what about angry hauntings? I was in a class when my students were like, What about angry hauntings? Those are really good question.

00:34:15:08 - 00:34:16:27
Sasha
Yeah.

00:34:16:29 - 00:34:36:23
Heather
And the thing is, is that people leave energy and maybe to a certain extent this is what we were talking about in like sort of past, present or future and kind of like we kind of see each other and sort of a sliding door kind of a situation, right? Like maybe you're the woman that's that's haunting the future kind of thing.

00:34:36:26 - 00:35:03:00
Heather
But we leave behind a certain energy, right? If you have a home in which there was a lot of calamity, maybe addiction, that kind of thing, and somebody else walks into the home, if they have something they've dealt with something themselves and they go into that house for the first time, they'll be able to pick it up. Right?

00:35:03:00 - 00:35:13:07
Heather
Because it's an energy that either you haven't dealt with that you should or that you like are highly sensitive to.

00:35:13:10 - 00:35:15:04
Sasha
Right, Right.

00:35:15:07 - 00:35:38:14
Heather
And that kind of feeling can trigger that energy again. One energy definitely triggers another energy. We see it in people, like when we talk about trauma bonding, right? It's so it's not unlike that for that reason in having sort of like an upheaval of energy and getting triggered again. I mean, angry hauntings happen unless another human being walks in the house.

00:35:38:14 - 00:35:39:06
Heather
Right.

00:35:39:09 - 00:35:40:00
Sasha
Right.

00:35:40:02 - 00:35:46:09
Heather
We know if we're not there. No, the house is still unless another person walks in there and can trigger that energy.

00:35:46:12 - 00:35:53:12
Sasha
If a ghost falls in the bedroom and nobody's there to see it. Did the ghost call exactly.

00:35:53:16 - 00:36:14:01
Heather
I mean, actually, another story that I've actually told at your event about the haunted house here, you know, I walked into that house and it was like nonsense. It was like something out of a movie, Right? And it was daytime and everything. And like, I mean, I was getting, like, hit by doors and, you know, that was quite the thing.

00:36:14:03 - 00:36:20:09
Heather
And my friend who was moving into that house to live in, it was like, Isn't this great? And I was like.

00:36:20:12 - 00:36:22:17
Sasha
No.

00:36:22:19 - 00:36:51:27
Heather
Because she was completely blah. I was extremely aware A I'm a medium because I'm going to pick these things up. Yeah, but made her as a person, like personally, these are things I would have been extremely aware of anyway. And there was an enormous amount of addiction in that house. You know, when I had I read the house before I even walked into it, and in my visions of reading it prior, I saw man, an upstairs hallway passed out with bottles around him.

00:36:51:29 - 00:37:06:12
Heather
no, I when I went to cleanse the house, I to the second floor and I turned around and there was the hallway and I could see the vision of him laying there with the bottles and I was like, okay, this is the guy.

00:37:06:15 - 00:37:08:03
Sasha
You know.

00:37:08:05 - 00:37:39:03
Heather
The crazy part of that is, is that the week before, when she decided to move out of where she lived and move into this house in the middle of the night, a car pulled up onto her front lawn right in front of the house. Her and her husband came running downstairs and a guy who was so blind drunk was just had pulled up in that car screaming, urinated on the lawn, just completely, you know, alcohol poisoning out of his mind.

00:37:39:05 - 00:38:03:15
Heather
Her husband was running around and tried to grab the keys and he couldn't because this guy was huge. And of course, he had the anger of somebody so inebriated, gets in the car, drives away. They call the sheriff and they go after the guy and he wraps the car on a tree and dies. Turned out that that was the guy who lived in that house before.

00:38:03:18 - 00:38:06:00
Heather
my God. Yeah.

00:38:06:02 - 00:38:07:06
Sasha
that's so scary.

00:38:07:09 - 00:38:12:26
Heather
Isn't that while we found that out later on, I was like, my God, The story of this haunted house just never ends.

00:38:12:28 - 00:38:18:03
Sasha
Did it feel like a deja vu when you saw that hallway, when you realized that was the vision you had?

00:38:18:03 - 00:38:34:06
Heather
Kind of. Yeah, I was like, like I knew exactly where I had seen it because it was so obvious. I you know, I talked to another friend of mine who had done far bigger cleansings than I had done at that point. And he said to me, What do you see? And I said, I see the man in the hallway.

00:38:34:06 - 00:38:49:01
Heather
And he said, Yeah, I saw him too, the drunk. And I was like, Yeah. And he said, Did you see a little girl? And I was like, Yeah, I saw a little girl. And so another man who was like, not harmful, you know, they had nothing to do with each other. The man and the child and the, the drug man all had nothing to do with each other.

00:38:49:01 - 00:39:07:15
Heather
They were just three. I saw and felt the little girl and saw things that she did while I was in the house when I went back to cleanse the house and she was in, I turned around, took a picture of the house as I was getting in my car when I was done just to send it to my friend who I sort of like checked in with beforehand.

00:39:07:17 - 00:39:24:20
Heather
He called me over and over and over again and he was like, and of course, you know, up here where we are in the Catskill Mountains, sometimes you have reception, sometimes you don't. And it is called. And he was like, Heather, look at that photo and zoom in. You can see the little girl looking out of the window.

00:39:24:22 - 00:39:28:11
Sasha
I just got it. You know, My God.

00:39:28:14 - 00:39:31:08
Heather
We're going to do that story another time.

00:39:31:10 - 00:39:49:22
Sasha
So speaking with stories and of course, Ghost Stories by the Fire has always been a it's always been a story share, right? Not a slam. I love that one. But And tonight, you're going to share a story. Who are the ghosts of the Provincetown in.

00:39:49:29 - 00:39:52:14
Heather
Yes That is a spooky place.

00:39:52:21 - 00:39:53:20
Sasha
Provincetown.

00:39:53:23 - 00:40:08:16
Heather
Provincetown and the and then and then the inn like Provincetown is crazy because it's so colonial and it's it's in it's like this mix of old colonial and, like, new and queer.

00:40:08:18 - 00:40:09:05
Sasha
I was.

00:40:09:05 - 00:40:23:28
Heather
Like, mix. And I go because of the new and queer. And I go because I have friends who always want me to go with them. And I love that. I love the beach, you know, I love them, I love being queer. But I was like.

00:40:24:00 - 00:40:33:05
Sasha
what the hell else is going on? This is in Provincetown Also, for people who don't know Provincetown and is at the tip of Cape Cod.

00:40:33:06 - 00:40:41:22
Heather
Yes, it is. It is where Plymouth Rock is. So it's like all the bad things.

00:40:41:24 - 00:40:47:11
Sasha
So. Yeah. So will you. You go ahead and share the the ghost of the Provincetown.

00:40:47:18 - 00:40:48:16
Heather
I will.

00:40:48:18 - 00:40:49:15
Sasha
I will.

00:40:49:15 - 00:41:09:29
Heather
This was originally written for ghost stories by the Fire and has since been a little bit edited. It is it is a it is a sweet story of what happens when years go by and there are, I think, layers of energy and sort of different ways of looking at things.

00:41:10:01 - 00:41:13:08
Sasha
I will say that, well, just so we're ready to hear, so we.

00:41:13:08 - 00:41:14:00
Heather
Get to talk about it.

00:41:14:00 - 00:41:18:24
Sasha
Afterwards. Yes. Okay. Okay.

00:41:18:27 - 00:41:43:06
Heather
Provincetown, Massachusetts, is on the farthest tip of Cape Cod. It's a gay haven. Well, now, Queer Haven, I've been to such places in my lifetime, but never P-Town friends had asked me there many times, but something always came up. About five years ago. My dearest friends Mark and Joey said, I just had to go and it must be with them.

00:41:43:08 - 00:42:09:01
Heather
I ignored my disdain for Massachusetts and their heralded history of burning witches and packed my car. It's not so much Massachusetts as anything colonial, which is tough, having lived most of my life in the original 13 states. But New York City remains feeling different than Massachusetts, Connecticut, and those other areas that have embraced their colonial roots and whatever pilgrim chic might be.

00:42:09:03 - 00:42:35:15
Heather
So there we were, a perfect, sunny, warm October weekend. You know, everybody gets around Provincetown on bikes. I don't like bikes. My crotch doesn't like bikes. And since a motorcycle accident at age 19 where I suffered amnesia, I stay away from things with wheels and no doors. But this was a when in Rome weekend, and I promised myself I would find that joy.

00:42:35:17 - 00:43:03:18
Heather
Immediately after checking into the hotel, it came to our attention that this weekend was the Tennessee Williams Theater Festival. Every venue had a production of one of his works for the entire weekend, the only available tickets were at the theater in the Provincetown in Marc squealed. my God, I can't wait to take you there. Aaron stayed there five years ago and woke up to a ghost of a woman standing over his bed with a string of pearls.

00:43:03:20 - 00:43:34:21
Heather
I hear these kinds of things a lot as a psychic medium. Everybody wants to take me somewhere grim. Joey looked at me. Girl, you've got to see the murals they have hanging in there. It's fucking weird. We purchased the tickets and got on our bikes and rode all the way to the end of the Cape. To the end it sits right where the pilgrims first landed, So we went inside and Joey grabbed my arm to run through the lobby and down the hall before the great room to see all the murals.

00:43:34:24 - 00:44:02:19
Heather
There must have been ten of them depicting different scenes and weird. It was one was called Pilgrim's First Laundry. There were pilgrims standing knee deep in the ocean, fully dressed with blank looks on their faces, just holding old clothing. The next panel seemingly in the same scene. There were 1920s sunbathers in their tank suits with stereotypically dressed Native Americans waving to them from the shore.

00:44:02:21 - 00:44:22:27
Heather
Then a group of children playing in the middle of the street. One child had his entire fist in his mouth. Among my friends, he has become too known as the bulimic child. Each mural possessed an image that made you say, What were they thinking? The closer to the great room of the hotel that we got, the warmer and more flush I got.

00:44:23:00 - 00:44:52:20
Heather
I turned to look in and I felt full on nausea. I saw visions of nooses and torture and bloodshed and pleasure. I felt hot and cold at the same time. I sensed moans and screaming, pasty bodies on top of each other. I couldn't tell if it was an orgy or a killing spree. I surmised both. We heard a woman's voice call for everyone to be seated in the theater.

00:44:52:23 - 00:45:15:21
Heather
I looked at my friends in horror and said, You mean we're still staying for the show? They rolled their eyes and dragged me into the theater. The show added to all this discomfort as it was a 45 minute tribute to domestic abuse, a show called Death of the Drag Queens, the Tennessee Williams never anticipated or never wanted to be produced.

00:45:15:24 - 00:45:39:04
Heather
You know, something uplifting like that. The axis in the actress Kathleen Turner was in the front row, and even that didn't warm our queer hearts enough to take the edge off. During the show, I kept feeling scratching of what felt like two fingernails on my left hand. It was quick and I brushed it off and then it continued through the entire second act.

00:45:39:07 - 00:46:03:26
Heather
And then suddenly the show was over. I ran out of that Provincetown inn. We wrote back to the hotel, had a nightcap, and went to our rooms. At 3:30 a.m., I woke up from the scratching on my arm, that same scratching the two fingers. I looked up and saw a clear vision of a woman in the bathroom mirror.

00:46:03:28 - 00:46:26:11
Heather
Take me back. She spoke. I heard her voice not just in my head, as I do with my usual Claire audience, but I felt it loud, as if it were sharing the same space. I lay down and tried to close my eyes, but her presence in the room felt like a living human. Please take me back. She sounded both desperate and threatening.

00:46:26:13 - 00:46:52:02
Heather
I sat up, collected myself as best I could, threw on a sweater and got on that goddamn bike again. And she was with me. She attached herself to me. We rode two miles back to the Provincetown in. I could feel the flesh to my face again like I did when I was in the great room. I saw the trees rustling, but I couldn't feel any wind on my body.

00:46:52:02 - 00:47:18:06
Heather
As I rode down Commercial Street, it was like being suspended in time. The scratching on my hand now nonstop. I felt like I was in the presence of a hundred people, but I was alone on the dark streets. My head was burning hot from the neck up. I rode into the front driveway of the hotel, struggling to maintain my balance as the bike hit the gravel.

00:47:18:09 - 00:47:51:13
Heather
And suddenly I felt the heat from my face lip lift up and off like a mask. The scratching finally stopped, and when I was alone, I could feel the wind whipping around me again. I felt the intensity of her relief. I rode slowly back to my hotel, wondering why she'd attached herself to me as I struggled up the steep Cape Cod hills and drove my car everywhere for the rest of the weekend.

00:47:51:16 - 00:48:05:21
Sasha
wow. Wow. Did it feel kind of normal for you, since you're already a medium?

00:48:05:23 - 00:48:29:24
Heather
You know, it's funny, when I reread that and I realized that when I, you know, it's like, let me get the story out again. And I was sort of like going over it right before we came on camera. I really remembered when I woke up at 330 and kind of everything going on. And of course the vision and her voice like it freaked me out.

00:48:29:26 - 00:48:41:00
Heather
But when I sort of, you know, when you give in to something you just like, all right, like, what am I what's going to make this stop? She told you what she needed.

00:48:41:03 - 00:48:42:26
Sasha
You know what I mean?

00:48:42:28 - 00:49:02:15
Heather
She tells you what you needed. I got my sweater on. I was still in my pajama bottoms. I think I just like, you know, if. If I ended up barefoot, it wouldn't surprise me. But I was not. I just threw on my sneakers. I slipped on to whatever I remember that I did forget my key because I literally just, like, stumbled out of the hood.

00:49:02:16 - 00:49:26:03
Heather
It was like a motel. So I had my you know, you were like outside the minute you walked out of your room and I at the Bradford forever and be down on the sixth Bradford and jumped on and just went and I think about when I read that I was like my God I just got on the bike and was like, okay, I'm going to go do this thing through a town.

00:49:26:03 - 00:49:50:11
Heather
I didn't really know in the middle of the night. It was, you know, pitch black. There were even four even for P-Town. And I think probably because this was I know it was you know, it was 2019. It was right before lockdown. But I was thinking I was like, there are no revelers. There was nobody on the street.

00:49:50:11 - 00:50:12:23
Heather
There was no clubbing like afterward, at least not that I remember. But then again, as I said, when I was like going down Commercial Street back towards the end, I felt suspended in time. Like I felt no wind while I'm biking. I felt nothing. I just felt this sort of like burdensome presence with me.

00:50:12:26 - 00:50:29:27
Sasha
I love the visuals comes to mind of you at close to 4 a.m. kind of bicycling through the night with a spectral presence. It's kind of all on your Did it feel like she was on your back?

00:50:30:00 - 00:50:34:09
Heather
Yeah, it almost felt like a cloak.

00:50:34:11 - 00:50:36:14
Sasha
But she was scratching you the whole time.

00:50:36:15 - 00:50:54:19
Heather
Yeah, that, that, I mean, you know, like she was there was always it was like this. It was the two fingers when it felt like, I mean, I still do it. I'm like, you know, it's an angle I couldn't really do on myself if I wanted to. It just it felt, you know, and it felt foreign. Like even when I do this now, like, if those are my nails, I know it.

00:50:54:19 - 00:51:03:27
Heather
My nails feel like it felt very foreign. It felt skinny, like skinny fingers, skinny nails like that. That sort of felt like so.

00:51:03:28 - 00:51:09:01
Sasha
And have you ever been back to Provincetown in since that?

00:51:09:03 - 00:51:27:01
Heather
yeah. It's it's like my friends make us go down there like, you know, brought my daughter there and, you know, she was like, I got to see that weird place. And of course, we went to go see it and see all the murals. It's usually daylight, you know, it's not in the middle of the night, but when things are haunted, they're they're weird.

00:51:27:01 - 00:51:49:27
Heather
Even during the day. I don't buy this, like, middle of the nights all different. That's that's just makes it more dramatic. But when you feel it, you feel it. It's there. You know? Weird is weird during the day. Weird is weird during the night. You know, whatever your whatever your trigger is. Because really, whatever energy pick you pick up it is, it has to do with your own personal trigger.

00:51:50:00 - 00:51:50:29
Heather
You know?

00:51:51:01 - 00:52:13:10
Sasha
Yeah, that's interesting. It's interesting. So, yeah, right. So, so it's kind of like the way you vibe toward friends, I guess, or vibe little big ethnic relationships. Then you might vibe towards those ghosts or hauntings or spirits that you would not that are in alignment with you.

00:52:13:13 - 00:52:44:20
Heather
Yeah, absolutely. 100%. And you know, also depending on sort some of it sort of depends on what your mindset is when walking into something like that. Like the first time I ever walked into a place knowing what I do. Right. Actually the house I talked about earlier, right, with the guy laying down the hallway that was the first time I ever clean such a big haunted place.

00:52:44:22 - 00:53:08:03
Heather
And I knew I was like, okay, I just started doing this full time. I had cleansed my own. I've never done it like this. I did not know what I was walking into. I mean, I read the house, but you don't really know the size of the job, right? You're like, I'm going to help you move. And then you don't realize until somebody shows up with like 8000 boxes of hardcover books and you're like, okay, this isn't right.

00:53:08:05 - 00:53:32:12
Heather
Walking into that, I had no idea what I was getting myself into, and I knew, but I said to myself, You have to go in there knowing that you cannot get hurt, that you are bigger than whatever is out there. And I got crazy spooked, but I never did anything that made me run out of the house like I did the job.

00:53:32:12 - 00:53:51:03
Heather
I cleanse what I had to cleanse. I acknowledge what I had to acknowledge and the way that I did it at the time, when I talked to my friend, I was like, I'm going to go do this. And he was much more experienced than me. He was somebody who was raised in Lowcountry area of Charleston outside of Charleston, South Carolina.

00:53:51:06 - 00:54:08:03
Heather
And so he was raised as a medium doing this sort of things. And he said, I know you do what you do, but do me a favorite before you walk in the house. I want you to do a number of things. So I kind of had a structure of things I had to do on my way into the house.

00:54:08:05 - 00:54:25:26
Heather
And I'm glad I had it because I felt like I had a little bit of a cushion and it made me go. I had to go all through the entire house and acknowledge everything in 7 minutes and be down and out of the house again. And then I went in and had to do the proper cleansing that I would do with my own technique.

00:54:25:28 - 00:54:46:15
Heather
Like that's how he asked me to do it. And there were all these other parts of things I had to do on the way into the house. I'm, I, I had to really contend with my own fears on that one. And now I walk into everything like, All right, come on at me. What you got? Like, I'm good.

00:54:46:17 - 00:55:03:14
Heather
Because at this point, you know, like, I, I have a lot of friends and family in Rome, so I go to Rome a lot. I mean, you know, when you start going to European cities, they're older than anything in America as far as like what is what is what is like new and colonized.

00:55:03:19 - 00:55:06:03
Sasha
Yeah, right.

00:55:06:06 - 00:55:20:25
Heather
And where there's any sort of civilization in the way that we look at it in the modern world, there is conflict and atrocities. So there are going to be vibrations of epic proportions.

00:55:20:28 - 00:55:21:27
Sasha
Right? Yeah.

00:55:21:29 - 00:55:42:23
Heather
And you always have to keep that in mind, you know? Plus, like, the art is old, right? And everything else like we were talking about. So, you know, you really, especially when you go to places that sort of honor dead differently, right? Like in the middle of Rome, there are catacombs, you know, And they would take the monk skulls and like, line the walls with them as decoration.

00:55:43:00 - 00:55:45:19
Sasha
The Catholic school monks, Capuchin monks.

00:55:45:19 - 00:55:55:29
Heather
That's right. And that was, you know, the Catholic Church. I mean, that is some spooky shit. You know, you go to Vatican City and the vibrations are coming off of everything.

00:55:56:02 - 00:56:02:13
Sasha
You have decades and decades of. You're walking over decades and decades of dead, right? yeah. Yeah.

00:56:02:18 - 00:56:35:25
Heather
I mean, popes, monks, nuns like Jesus, you know, like they dragged him around the world a few times, you know, after what they claim to be. Right? So you have to really sort of and and also the level of faith and energy that's put towards a lot of shame, a lot of destruction. You think about things like that, you feel those vibrations like we're not we are we are porous individuals.

00:56:35:25 - 00:56:36:10
Sasha
Yeah, hands.

00:56:36:11 - 00:56:46:28
Heather
Are porous, right? I mean, our skin's porous, our emotions are porous. You cannot be completely closed off to everything. And I think that's really like we we I don't think we we honor that enough.

00:56:47:01 - 00:57:10:11
Sasha
I would agree. I would definitely agree. Yeah. So cool. So what parting question for you. This if there's anybody out there listening who feels haunted by something, a house or an energy, is there something you could suggest that they could do to cleanse the space?

00:57:10:14 - 00:57:30:10
Heather
Usually if somebody calls me for a cleansing and I will talk them sort of through like I was like, talk to me what you're feeling, seeing or otherwise. I mean, I love the gag, but if there's something they can do with their own home, it's always a good place to start because then it's them clearing it for themselves.

00:57:30:11 - 00:57:31:19
Sasha
Okay. Yes.

00:57:31:19 - 00:58:06:17
Heather
And I think having that sort of agency really helps. But really as far as like very basic things, even just taking like white vinegar and cleaning anything, that's a slick surface. So mirrors, windows, countertops, it's just it just, you know, it kind of balances and neutralizes a couple of ions here and there. It cleanses also like like hardcore dusting because dust is like 78% human follicle.

00:58:06:17 - 00:58:28:08
Heather
I don't remember what the number is, but it's an enormous amount. And like, that is energy right there. Like clean it out, you know, do some laundry, wipe down walls, mop and like, people forget like when you mop and you want to really cleanse the room, you got to wipe down the walls. You got to wipe down the shelves like there's a lot of energy sort of staying there.

00:58:28:10 - 00:58:46:14
Heather
Obviously, you're not going to get rid of, like vibrations that are thousands of years old. But humans have been dying as long as we've been alive, Right? So everywhere we go there is energy. But sort of cleansing your space should be kind of basic, you know what I mean? And very personal.

00:58:46:16 - 00:58:52:24
Sasha
Amazing. that's amazing advice. Thank you so much, Heather, for being with us tonight.

00:58:52:29 - 00:58:55:15
Heather
my gosh. It is my pleasure. It was always a joy to talk to.

00:58:55:15 - 00:58:56:25
Sasha
You, Sasha.

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