Episode #1: "Secret of Evil Island" with Hay House Author Kim Arnold

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Lovely
You come to me when I'm lonely.

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Sasha
I take your.

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Lovely
Hand. We go home.

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Sasha
Kim, thank you so much for being with us today.

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Kim
Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be here.

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Sasha
And you? I am, too. You know, I ask everyone when they come in. The first question I love to ask was that if you if did you grow up in a household or a family that believed in ghosts and spirits? And did you ask did you grow up in a in a family that had a tradition of telling ghost stories?

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Kim
Well, disappointingly, no, because we didn't we didn't tell ghost stories. But I did grow up in a family that did believe in ghosts. And I do believe, like my father, although would never have admitted that he was incredibly psychic. And he he had great insight into things before they happened, which was all just part of growing up. And it wasn't weird because it was just how it was.

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Kim
And I have two brothers. I'm the middle child, one either side. And both of those were incredibly psychic, which I didn't again realize at the time, but we all seemed to have had a gift. Not so much my mum. My mum was sort of very down to earth and pragmatic in many things, but myself, my father, my brothers.

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Kim
Yeah, we definitely did have and have insight into something else that was unexplainable.

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Sasha
Where you were psychic abilities and the sensitive abilities of your brothers. Was that something that was encouraged? Or was it just something that was just was and it was unspoken?

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Kim
It just was. And it wasn't encouraged nor discouraged. You know, it was like that's who we were from a very, very young age. I had night terrors and I and I was sleepwalking from almost from when I had my own bedroom from about the age of, you know, two, I don't remember. And I can remember having really vivid things happening to me and or hearing things and feeling things.

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Kim
It was always about me losing something. Even as a young child. It was about me losing something and the panic of not being able to find something. And as I got older, it always became about keys. And I'd lose. I'd lose a key. I was locked in or I was locked out, or I'd look someone in or lock someone out.

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Kim
These keys, I mean, I would wake up in a sweat of terror where these where these keys became so important that I truly believed when I woke up in the morning, I'd find the car keys away or the house keys away or so. And I never had. Some years later, when I was running workshops, I had a I was working with a psychiatrist called Dr. Brenda DAVIES.

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Kim
She was a spook till she was a real psychiatrist, a qualified psychologist. She was a spiritual psychiatrist. And we were doing a workshop about regression, and I was the facilitator of the workshop and sitting next to her and she started to talk about what would happen, what was going to happen later that day when she was going to start regressing the group.

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Kim
So as she was talking, something happened to me where I started to go back in time and and I'm saying to her, Brenda, stop talking. Something's happening to me. And I completely, almost lost control of my senses. And she said, No, go with it, Kim. Keep going with it. Where are you? And in England, there's a name of a Victorian prison that was used for people with mega mental issues, and I can't remember the name of it now, but suddenly I was there in this prison as a prison warder, as a woman had a black dress on with a tight waist and a big skirt, and around my waist was a belt with a massive

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Kim
bunch of keys. And I can remember hearing people screaming and shouting, and the noise was just phenomenal. And I'm speaking this as I'm seeing it and this I'm living it. And and I left the prison and they came out to this space. So there was a river and I got the keys and I threw the keys in the river and sat down and literally started to pull the hair out of my head like that, like a mad woman.

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Kim
And then she said to me, And what happened next? And I said to her, I'm walking. I'm walking. She said, Where are you going? And I went into the woods and I hung myself. And as I said to her, I hung myself. My nose literally started to pull with blood. And people were like rushing and getting tissues and pushing them up me and saying, Are you all right?

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Kim
And I just to exhaust did. And my nose didn't stop bleeding for about an hour. It was just going and going and going. And I just don't know where that came from. I never had the dream about keys again after that. And it was the keys to the cells in this prison where I'd left people locked in these cells.

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Kim
Maybe it wasn't the only bunch of case, I don't know. But through this regression, it's like it just cleared something. Something from a past life. So as much as you know, we talk about ghost stories, it's when we have real life situations. I wonder how many are attached to past life situations.

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Sasha
What? How? That's an incredible story that isn't random. Incredible story. So, Kim, did you would you say that you grew up in a haunted house?

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Kim
I didn't grow up in a haunted house, but I did live in the haunted house. And back in the early nineties, I was living in London and my husband and I had an apartment and I had a young baby. We were on the third floor and we were desperate to move into a house. And it was a time here in the UK where as a soundboard went up, it was sold.

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Kim
You had to be so quick to move and a house came up to sale very nearby to where we were living. Perfect location, didn't particularly like the house, but was so desperate to get in a house and we put in an offer which was accepted and just before we were due to exchange our contracts, I just had a really bad feeling about it and I went in to see the the estate agents and I said, I don't want to go ahead with this.

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Kim
And they said, No, no, no. If you don't go ahead with it, you're not going to move. You could be stuck living, you know, in your flat for years. So we did and we moved into this house and it was called the Glen and it was in this cul de sac. It was it was a very strange house.

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Kim
It was a two storey house, a three storey house, and the bedrooms are on the top floor. And there was one room which actually was my, my son's bedroom that was always cold. It didn't matter. You could touch the heating, the radiator would be boiling hot, but the room was ice cold and there was just always this sort of weird feeling.

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Kim
And in his room in particular, I mean, on hindsight now, I should have moved him out the room. But anyway, but I can remember he was he was just about walking then and talking and going into his room and seeing him standing up in his cot, pointing and laughing at something. And I would pull into my psyche and see a little girl with a teddy bear, like running around the room.

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Kim
And I could see her and he could see her and it was all quite innocent. There was nothing. It wasn't threatening. It wasn't anything horrible. And and then sometimes we would see all this bouncing off the room. And even my husband, who doesn't really believe in anything outside of the normal and said, you know, there's there's something going on in this room.

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Kim
Martin And I my husband and I went out one night and his mother came to babysit and she was in Alexander my son's room, changing his nappy, his diaper and when we got in, she went, Tim, you have to move out of this house. And I said, Why? And she said, Because I was changing Alexander's bottom. She said, And I saw someone standing by the door and I said, okay, I know there's somebody here, but it's not sinister.

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Kim
It's not it's not dark. But then it started to get that way where I'd take my son into the room and he would scream and I'd take him out. The women, he would stop. So we obviously had to take him out of the room. And just like a real ghost story, I had a rocking chair in the room and one day I came there on my own and the chair moved.

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Kim
It just very subtly just moved like this. And we were terrified. Honestly, almost in the middle of the night, we jumped in the car. We drove to one of our parents house and said, like it was just too spooky at that time, I knew a lady who was a very well known psychic in the area and she'd been running circles for donkey's years and I'd spoken to her about it and she said to me, Kim, you have to go back to the house because you've got to clear it and don't take your son with you.

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Kim
Leave your husband and your son wherever they are. You have to go back alone. This is this is your job. So I went back to the house, went into the room, and the temperature dropped like because I walked through the room, it dropped to freezing Like it was just so, so cold. And I can remember sitting on the floor with my back to the radiator, which was very hot.

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Kim
And I remember shivering with the cold. And this lady was on the phone and she said, I'm going to tell you what to do, called the Spirit. And I went, No. And she went cold. The spirit came and I went, I can't. I was so terrified. And she was she said to me, pull yourself together. Cool the spirit, get him here.

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Kim
And just as she said that in this rocking chair from my third eye, I saw a man sitting in a in an army uniform all ripped and ragged, and the chair literally started to move. I thought I was going to have a heart attack. And she's saying to me on the phone, Pull yourself together. Do not show weakness.

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Kim
Ask him what he wants. Asking why he's here. So it turns out. So I said to this man, Why are you here? So the house was on a lifeline line, which I didn't know when we bought it. And it was on the cross. The railway line, a very powerful point of and of spiritual stuff and movement. And I'd go to the sector and he told me that he was from World War One, that he was a major, and that he had led his battalion into battle, knowing that they were all going to die one by one, watched them as they were gunned down.

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Kim
And he said to me, I can't go over, he said, because his guilt was just beyond anything that he could deal with. So he'd been he had been floating around the, you know, the the Earth plane for decades. And and she was guiding me and she said, tell him he has to go to the light, bring in the light.

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Kim
And I could see him as clear as day. And I'd started to calm down. Now, the fear that sort of left me, I'm not going to say I was comfortable with it, but the spiritual left me is as we began to talk and then suddenly I got a feeling of this mother and I said to him, Your mum is here.

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Kim
She's come to get you. And he wouldn't go. He wouldn't go. And almost You think I'm mad, actually, but almost from nowhere I saw this hand come out, come out from the the middle of the room to take his hand and pulled him up and, and he went and within seconds the heat in the room just came to normal like the rest of the house.

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Kim
And so the psychic lady said to me and so now we have to we have to lock the house down. We have to protect the house. And so she taught me or showed me or guided me into how to bring a pyramid of light around the house, to look into the earth, to check it, to make sure there were no holes in this vortex of light that we had brought down.

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Kim
And and that was it. And then, you know, the whole energy of the house changed. But we did put it on the market and sell it because I couldn't couldn't cope with it. It was like it just left a really uneasy taste, particularly with the small child in the house. And that's what we did. We sold the house and moved on.

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Sasha
But have you ever been back past the house since you moved?

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Kim
I have a few years back and I drove past the house and what was odd, the all the other houses and I was at a had had work done. I you know, there'd been, you know, new windows and doors and this house was exact as we'd left it. And that was, you know, 20 odd years ago and they hadn't spent a penny on it.

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Kim
But it was also the one house in the, in the Glen, which was the name of the cul de sac that was no one ever lived there for more than two years. And it was like this constant turnover of people buying the house and moving the house and not understanding and realizing why. But it was a very unlucky house.

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Kim
It was it was a house full of very. It was a house, no, not sadness for us as a family, but you could just feel there was just something you didn't feel like home when you walked through the door and all the years that we lived there, I never went to that door. And so, you know, it's nice to be home.

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Kim
And sometimes I used to think, I don't even want to go through the door and didn't really understand why.

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Sasha
It's interesting, isn't it? Because I think it can be hard sometimes to differentiate between yourself and a place that you were in. Yeah, I think some people are kind of haunted in and of themselves. Like, my guess would be that some people the it's people who are haunted and other times it's definitely a place that is haunted. You know how how do you tell how how does someone differentiate is it me or is it me or is it you?

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Sasha
A house?

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Kim
Exactly. But I think also when you start to see your behavior change in a certain places, it's like I'm always like this when I'm there, but I'm always like this when I'm over there. And it's, you know, I think sometimes things need a little bit of investigation.

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Sasha
It's interesting because just the same way that different people will bring will make you feel or even make you act in certain ways. Right? When you're sharing energy with any person, then that same thing would hold true for spaces, places, homes, right?

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Kim
Yeah, definitely. Definitely. And I know also because, you know, my other hat is that I am a feng shui consultant. I qualified back in the nineties and the amount of houses that I've walked in and can instantly feel the energy like I can feel if it's a nice home, I can feel if it's a friendly home and I can feel that if there's if there's a dark energy in the home.

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Kim
And although that's not part of that job, you know, for me to do that, like in myself, I think, well, I can see why you're having issues because there's something here that's greater. But not everybody wants to hear that. Not everybody wants to hear, you know, that you might have a ghost in the attic. It's like they just don't want to that when they know that, don't want to know it.

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Sasha
And I certainly sometimes, you know, living with something spooky, ignorance can be your best friend. You know? So that's certainly a very human a very human response that, yeah, these are such interesting street tales stories that you're telling. I I'd love to ask you, what's the scariest experience that's ever happened to you? But what you really shared is so harrowing.

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Sasha
Do you have one Is.

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Kim
Enough one funny.

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Speaker 4
Enough? There's.

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Kim
Yeah, because I was thinking, you know, when you invited me on, I was thinking of scary stories. And then suddenly they all started flooding back from the pub. But many years ago I went, my husband, I went to a place called Jersey. It's a Channel island off the English coast, and it's between France and England. And there's not much happens there.

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Kim
It's got nice beaches and good restaurants and there's not much else there. But there is a big history there. And the history is that during World War Two, the Germans invaded Jersey and took it, took it over. Well, it is a polling place. Forgive and forgive me if anyone lives in Jersey in of off the coast of England.

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Kim
So we did some tours while we were there, this or certain things to see. And one of the things that we went to see was the Jersey War tunnels, which are also known as the German underground hospital. And we just it is something to do for a few hours one afternoon. But I had a bit of a strange feeling about this place.

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Kim
I didn't know anything about it. It was, you know, we got on the coach and the tour guide took us to this place and people got off. And as I got off the coach, a voice in my head said, Don't go in. And I thought, God will be paid. Now, you know, my mother is not going to be very happy with me.

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Kim
It's like we just come all this way and and I ignored it. So it's a very eerie place and it's very paranoid, though Jersey is a beautiful island. This actual place where the war tunnels are is very well, it was is very barren. It was there was nothing there. There was no real trees or flowers. It was just a big space.

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Kim
So you go into the entrance of this place, you go down into the tunnels. And it was a hospital which I then found out through the tour guide that was used by the Nazis, by the Germans in the war. And some of the the rooms were used for human experiments. Anyway, I walked in there, my heart was beating the smell of the dump.

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Kim
And it was just it was just horrible. It was so wicked down there. There was just something so horrible about this whole place. So we walked through, these people dispersed to go and, you know, explore on their own. And I walked down this this corridor. And on the side there were theaters that were set up exactly as they were set up during that time.

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Kim
And as I turned my head looked into this room, I saw this man, a dentist, dressed as a doctor with instruments in his hand. And he turned and he looked at me and we literally locked eyes for about 5 seconds. I swear to God, I thought I was going to have a heart attack. It was so horrible. And I said to Martin, my husband said, We've got to get out of here, Martin, We've got to leave.

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Kim
I can't be here. And I think this is sensitive. And that's why the voice in my head said you're not to go in. Do not go in, as the sensitive was picking up all of this stuff. Well, we got back on this coat and waited for everyone else to get back on. And everyone was talking about the experience, very animated.

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Kim
And I just thought that that was just the most horrible thing, the most frightening thing that I've ever experienced in my life. When I got back to England, I used to run in my own circle, a psychic circle, and I said to my group, But we're going to go into the tunnel. We're going to take ourselves there, we're going to put some light in.

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Kim
They're going to see if we can shift this energy. This is sitting stagnant for all of these decades. So I opened the circle, bring in the protection, did everything that we normally do. And I was talking people through the through the through the survey. And I said, like, we're just going into the entrance of the tunnel. And people the people in my group went, We can't go in.

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Kim
That can. And I hadn't even told them. I just told them that I had a negative experience. We needed to go in there and the message was so strong, leave it alone. Do not interfere with this place, because I do believe that there are places that have so much evil that it doesn't matter how much good, how much light, how much love, you know, how much healing that you do in that it cannot be fixed.

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Kim
And I suppose that CNN, Yangon is dark and light and shadow work and all the rest of it. And and I think that there was some places that just all they're just rotten to the core that we're not supposed to interfere with. And really, for this little island, it was like a commercial venture. Now, you know, it was a way of getting the tourists to go and spend some money and, you know, to see this place that, you know, I can still see when I was when I was thinking about this story the other day, preparing to talk to you, Sasha, I can still see this man as clear as day.

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Kim
And I know he's still there. I know he's still wandering those corridors. I know he's still there. And that's where he will be probably for eternity.

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Sasha
I'm so sorry you had to share space with someone like that. I will look into the face of pure evil, it sounds like.

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Kim
Yeah, I believe it was. I really do believe it was. But again, it's one of those things that it did it. You know, I thought about it for quite a long time. It was frustration as well of not being able to do anything and to, you know, to help to even put some light into that place. The place didn't want like it did not want it.

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Kim
And it just as we tried to push the light in, the light was pushed back. And that's when we just stopped the circle and said, no, we're not to go there. We're not to venture there.

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Sasha
Wow. Wow. Amazing, amazing and scary and and the implications of that, the implications of places that are that thick and that did and it makes me even curious that, you know, talking about yin and yang, it kind of the world, the dichotomy of the physical world that we live in, that we inhabit are shared by those things. And I and I wonder if yeah, I wonder what would be strong enough to dissipate that right with the entire island.

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Sasha
You have.

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Speaker 4
To be.

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Kim
Outside. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I, I don't know. I mean, it was something that I'd only ever experience once in my life, something that was that dark. I'd never experienced it since, and I hadn't experienced it before. And I don't want to experience it again because it was something. And I think that, you know, for anyone that's listening, when your intuition tells you something, be guided by it because it's it's there for a reason.

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Kim
But, you know, I do believe that See that? I do believe I had to experience that. And I think, you know, when we work in a world of, you know, trying to work with the light all the time and work with Bird, that sometimes we have to see that side of it just to be reminded that there's a very fine line between the light in the dark.

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Sasha
Yes. Yes. wow. So do you feel like you're someone who takes your work home with you or is is it easy for you to erect boundaries when you're doing energy work? And what does that feel like for you?

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Kim
I think I can I can put boundaries up. I mean, there is no no doubt about that. And but that's come with experience. And over time, that wasn't always the case. And I think that when I first started to become serious about, you know, the line of work that I went into, you have to because I think you would demand otherwise.

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Kim
And, you know, it's no different to doing the reading for a client that's having a really distressing situation. And I can remember years ago, you know, a client might tell me something so horrible and I think I might lie in bed at night thinking that plea deal in that poor man is what's going on. But you can't because you can't absorb everybody's issues.

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Kim
So I think that again, with experience, you learn to just detach and and just crack on with your own life. But but still be mindful of what's going on.

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Sasha
And do you think in that way that if you say there was a like you, there was a reason that you saw that figure, what do you think that reason was?

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Kim
Because I think that, you know, we you often hear that saying of love and light. And, you know, when you when you work on on our level, that's what it's mostly about. And and I think that we it's not that we forget it. So I think we need to be reminded that again you know that this stuff exists system the darkening this in the light and and I think sometimes we just need that short sharp shock to just say well you know carry on doing what you're doing because you're doing it well and you're doing it the best you can.

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Kim
But there's still that that thing over here, you know, And it and to me also it's sometimes when meeting people wait, you know, I always wonder when you meet someone and think, I don't like that person, they've done nothing to you. They said nothing to you. There was nothing that that's given them, any of you, any reason to dislike them.

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Kim
But you just do. And I have to think, Well, what about all that? Why don't I like that person? What is it about them? And, you know, and I think so getting back to the question, the the difference between work in why did I see that situation? I think I just had to be reminded that, you know, this exists and it's not all love and light.

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Kim
We can do our bit. But, you know, there is another side and another energy to this and we have to be so careful when we work with spirit work because we don't know what we're conjuring up. We don't know what we're disturbing and to be respectful of spirit, you know the spirit, you know, I'm amazed that you get this also, Sasha, people come for reading them.

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Kim
I said, Have you got my mum there? The spirit world? And I said, Well, it doesn't really work like that, you know, It's like, I can't just say, Well, hold on a minute, I'll just just grab her, see if she's there. It's like if they want to make contact, they will and they'll do it very subtly and very beautifully.

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Kim
Usually that's how it happens. But we have to remember that there is this dark side, you know, in the minute we as as vessels of working with Spirit open up, you know, that we can be open to anything. We can be open to darkness as well as light, even though, you know, we we're not interested in that side and interested in the good.

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Sasha
Yes. And so it's interesting. So it's once you see something that you can't unsee, you'll also recognize it should you ever come across it again. And so then it becomes very much a not while it wasn't a comfortable thing to experience, it's something that becomes a safeguard for you.

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Speaker 4
Yeah, yeah.

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Sasha
I'm not very.

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Kim
I'm sure there's people listening that maybe have experienced a psychic attack I've been to in my life, and they were both very traumatic. And the one, the one that I had was few years ago now. And I woke up and I was aware of this lady standing by the bed. And it this sounds ridiculous, but she was a lady who worked in a shop nearby.

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Kim
Nearby And where I lived. I didn't know this lady just recognized her. And and I opened I can remember, opened my eyes. My husband was asleep next to me. And I and I can remember saying in my head, why are you here? And as I said, that she fell into me and literally pinned me down and I couldn't move a muscle in my body.

00:29:49:25 - 00:30:15:09
Kim
I was like this, just trying to get her off. And I called in the angels and I pulled in my guides. Nothing happened. I was still paralyzed through to the space, to my bed. And even though, like I, I have real issues with the church and all of this stuff, that's another story. But I started to say the Lord's Prayer.

00:30:15:11 - 00:30:42:01
Kim
And as I started to say, it, this thing, this entity entity moved off of me. And, you know, I slept two weeks after that with the whole light on because I was too frightened to turn the light off. But a friend of mine who was a very renowned psychic, not the same ladies who did the house clearing with me and I said, you know, it's really odd that it was the lady from the shop down the road who works on the till.

00:30:42:01 - 00:31:03:28
Kim
I don't know why it was her. And she said, You know, why came Because a psychic attack often catches you off guard to the minute you questioned Why are you here? She said it was that split second that the attack happened. She said if there'd been someone that you knew, it would mean you would have asked a different question or you would have reacted differently.

00:31:04:00 - 00:31:15:00
Kim
She said It could have been anyone. And so a psychic attack is is a horrible thing to in my life. And they were both horrible.

00:31:15:03 - 00:31:32:24
Sasha
I want to hear if you'll share those. I would love with my love to hear about them. Would would you explain, though, first define for the people listening. What is the intention of a psychic attack or what exactly? How would you define a psychic at all?

00:31:32:26 - 00:31:55:26
Kim
So Well, I think they're different for different people. For me, you know, often they happen in the night when you're at your most vulnerable or, you know, you're not sleep dozing state and your body's completely relaxed and so that you are open to that. Now, this psychic, this particular psychic heart attack happened two weeks before I opened my first New Age shop.

00:31:55:28 - 00:32:20:13
Kim
So I was right in the throes of putting stuff on the shelves, my tarot cards, my books, the crystals, everything was was being put together to open the shop. And that's when that psychic attack happened. And I do believe that it was like a force that didn't want me to open that shop. And, you know, there's a big story of what happened after that, but this is way too long to tell you.

00:32:20:13 - 00:32:43:07
Kim
But and the that was and she said, you know, they're trying to stop you, Kim, because they know that this shop is going to be a force for good and they don't want you to do that. And then the second psychic attack happened a few years later, and something else happened at that time with where the roof of the shop literally fell in while I was in there.

00:32:43:09 - 00:33:09:29
Kim
And the night before I'd had the psychic attack. But that psychic attack was like it was almost like a warning. I was feeling incredibly vulnerable, like there was stuff going on. Psychic Lee and, and I had a similar experience where I was pinned to the bed and couldn't move. And but I knew this time how to how to move the energy, how to how to shift it.

00:33:10:01 - 00:33:44:08
Kim
And then that very weekend, we had a heavy rainfall and my shop had a flat roof that was like a standalone shop. And I was in the shop. The roof came in, the whole lot came down while I was in there. The fire brigade recorded all this stuff happened and it was around the same time. So I believe that something nasty had got close to me then and it was probably just, you know, working wholly in the energy of doing psychic work.

00:33:44:11 - 00:34:13:12
Sasha
Wow. So interesting too, because you are such a you you're a community builder. You build stores, you build shops, you build projects, your books. You know, you really someone who does work with the invisible world, with the paranoia and all your you bring a lot of physicality Pentacles, if you will write what we call them in the Tarot world.

00:34:13:15 - 00:34:23:06
Sasha
So it's, it, it makes sense that you would be a target for those things which don't want to be moved out of that space right?

00:34:23:09 - 00:34:50:24
Kim
Yes, absolutely. Yeah. But you say yes. So I was a target physically from the church and the target psychically from whatever was going on at that time, because the attacks the second the second attack, as I said it was it was almost the same as the first, except that I didn't get that minute warning or that 32nd warning that something was going to happen.

00:34:50:27 - 00:35:14:11
Kim
But the interesting thing was all day I felt very uneasy and for no reason, you know, something to get that feeling that something horrible is going to happen and you can't put your finger on it. But everything around seems very settled and very okay and very normal. And that psychic attack happened that night just before the shop. That business literally went under, went under a load of water.

00:35:14:11 - 00:35:41:10
Kim
And and it was devastating. And and I think then what happened after that? So I went away from all of the work for a while, maybe six months, maybe close to a year. I just felt like I just needed to breathe. I needed to step away from it because it was all very intense and it was, you know, the the physical attacks as well from the church and everything else.

00:35:41:10 - 00:36:01:16
Kim
It was like I just had to set it up to here. It was like, I can't even I can't even do my work because there's a pulse, a stick in his nose up at me and, you know, trying to stop me, do what I'm doing. So it's it's been a fight on the spirit world and on the physical world as well.

00:36:01:18 - 00:36:07:18
Sasha
You feel like things are easier for you now in 2024, that things have eased up a bit on you?

00:36:07:20 - 00:36:29:05
Kim
yes, absolutely. And I think, you know, the tarot conference celebrated 20 years this year. And I think that when I first started the Tarot conference, you know, people were still a little bit wary of talking about tarot. If you were a thorough reader, you found your group, but you didn't really discuss it with all and sundry. And now you know, nobody cares.

00:36:29:05 - 00:36:47:24
Kim
Now it's fine. You know, we can talk about tarot freely and easily and and be proud of what we do, and that's the difference. So, yeah, definitely, you know, these 20, 23, 2024 is, has been wonderful for that. I think we've all been accepted.

00:36:47:27 - 00:37:13:03
Sasha
I think that and that and I think that that's true for so many things, you know, not just tarot. I'm actually remember my first book came out in 2011 and and even in back in 2011, you couldn't walk into any bookstore and find tarot decks on the shelves. You know. So yeah. So I mean, talk about the evolution of consciousness and the evolution of awareness and acceptance.

00:37:13:03 - 00:37:28:18
Sasha
I think that I think that people tend to have a grim a grim look at the world, and understandably so when you look at the news and everything that's going on all at once. But I think that there's a lot of interest and a lot of expansion of consciousness, which.

00:37:28:20 - 00:37:30:03
Speaker 4
Certainly.

00:37:30:06 - 00:37:37:21
Sasha
Gives me great hope, great hope. Did you have any other spooky stories you like?

00:37:37:23 - 00:37:45:15
Kim
I think I'm done with it. With spooky stories, I think, yeah. You know, they're the big ones. They're the big ones. The other ones that just run in the mail.

00:37:45:15 - 00:37:56:15
Sasha
Then I think I need a shot of whiskey after the race. I mean, they're so. They're so intense. So I'd love.

00:37:56:17 - 00:38:23:06
Sasha
I'd love to ask you sort of as a as a final question, I suppose, you know, all of the experiences that you've had, what is your inclination of of where we were before we were born? And and what is your hunch on what happens to us after we come out of this life? Are your thoughts on that?

00:38:23:09 - 00:38:47:17
Kim
Well, that's a big question. I am. Well, where do we go? Well, I know that we that there is an option of reincarnation. I know that because, you know, because I've experienced past lives. I think it's a it's a hard question, Sasha, you know, but I think that I think that when we die as soul fragments, I think our soul goes.

00:38:47:17 - 00:39:19:06
Kim
And I don't think our soul comes back wholly as And the reason for that is, you know, when you get people in the world like Hitler, Stalin, you know, these people that were so wicked, like, how come how can they come back as a soul being with the soul that they had? So I believe I think I don't know if I believe this, but I think I believe that the soul fragments and part of you comes back and part of you is there as a new person or new being.

00:39:19:08 - 00:39:38:26
Kim
Where do we go before this? Well, I'm not really sure, but the only thing I do know is that I do I do with my group. Sometimes we do a meditation and we do a meditation where we go through the chakra colors and then we go to the color black. But it's not a black. That's that's frightening. It's a black.

00:39:39:00 - 00:40:06:15
Kim
The behind your eyes, you see the black is a comforting black that you find yourself in your mother's womb. And it is a womb of darkness, but a beating heart. And is this heart that is full of love, full of joy, full of excitement, full of and full of hope, I suppose. And then from that black, we then go back one more like, where are you now?

00:40:06:18 - 00:40:32:02
Kim
And that's where the stories start to build up with what the different people in the group experience from going back out the other side and some people and again, I can only share what I, what I've experienced through my grief. And it's a lovely meditation because it takes ages and you're really in a deep, deep state of being.

00:40:32:04 - 00:40:58:16
Kim
And then to you goes in the black, you go in the mother's womb, you go back one more, and some people find themselves in a place of not in a physical place, but in a state almost like being hovering in the ether, but a place of beauty, a place of peace and quiet and almost life is like heaven, literally.

00:40:58:18 - 00:41:32:28
Kim
And then some people find themselves actually tricked into a life from before. So it's different things from different people. So I'm going to be open to all that. I like to think that, you know, when we come into this world, when a newborn baby comes into this world, that they've had a lovely journey to get there and you know, that it's been and that they are on a journey of hope, a bit like the fall in Tarot, that they're on a journey of hope to start their journey through the 78 cards and all that they bring with them.

00:41:33:00 - 00:41:46:07
Sasha
Love that. This has been an absolutely fascinating conversation and I cannot thank you enough for sharing yourself your stories, your wisdom with us.

00:41:46:09 - 00:42:02:18
Kim
Thank you, Sasha. It's been such a pleasure. It's been such a pleasure to talk about this stuff because it's been well locked away for so long. You know, these stories, they're in my head and they're in my life and, you know, I've never shared them before. So thank you for the opportunity.

00:42:02:21 - 00:42:07:05
Sasha
Thank you for trusting us in the space with sharing this stuff.

00:42:07:07 - 00:42:08:17
Kim
Thank you.

00:42:08:20 - 00:42:42:29
Sasha
Thank you so much for being part of Ghost Stories by the Fire. Do you have a spooky story, near-death experience or supernatural happening you'd like to share? I'd love to hear it. Submit your story to Sasha Grammy.com with ghost stories by the fire in the subject line. You might just wind up on this podcast, and if you want to support it and keep the ghost stories coming, head on over to Sasha Grammy.com to check out my books and tarot decks which are available for purchase at your favorite bookseller.

00:42:43:01 - 00:47:36:02
Sasha
The Ghost Stories by the Fire theme song is titled The Lovely from the original motion picture score of The Deeper You Dig a film about the lengths a mother will go to to find her daughter's killer. Thanks again for listening. And until next time, I'm saving you a seat at the fire.

00:47:36:04 - 00:48:02:16
Lovely
You come to me when I'm lonely, I take your hand. We go home. You cover me with your love. I'm here with my love.

00:48:02:19 - 00:48:34:19
Sasha
What would you do if you found yourself looking into the face of pure evil in the darkest recesses of the human soul. Teach us how to live. And if reincarnation is true to the most hideously evil humans in history, get to come back again. Today's guest, Kim Arnold, lives and breathes magic and tarot. She's the Hay House author of Tarot Made Easy and the founder of the UK Tarot conference.

00:48:34:22 - 00:49:09:10
Sasha
Kim's lived with a foot in each world as long as she can remember. Join us for a conversation about Kirsty Objects, a haunted house on a creepy cul de sac and fever, dreams of ancient keys with the power to unlock a past life. It's time to get cozy because I'm your host, Sasha Graham. And this is Ghost Stories by the fire company.

00:49:09:12 - 00:49:18:17
Sasha
Lovely, Tim, thank you so much for being with us today.

00:49:18:19 - 00:49:22:09
Kim
Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be here.

00:49:22:11 - 00:49:46:04
Sasha
And I am, too. You know, I ask everyone when they come in, the first question I love to ask was that if you if did you grow up in a household or a family that believed in ghosts and spirits? And did you ask, did you grow up in a in a family that had a tradition of telling ghost stories?

00:49:46:06 - 00:50:12:17
Kim
Well, disappointingly, no, because we didn't we didn't tell ghost stories. But I did grow up in a family that did believe in ghosts. And I do believe, like my father, although would never have admitted that he was incredibly psychic. And he's he had great insight into things before they happened, which was all just part of growing up. And it wasn't weird because it was just how it was.

00:50:12:19 - 00:50:42:14
Kim
And I have two brothers. I'm the middle child, one either side, and both of those were incredibly psychic, which I didn't again realize at the time. But we all seem to have had a gift. Not so much my mum. My mum was so very down to earth and pragmatic in many things, but myself, my father, my brothers, yeah, we definitely did have and have insight into something else that was unexplainable.

00:50:42:17 - 00:50:56:16
Sasha
Were your psychic abilities and the sensitive abilities of your brothers? Was that something that was in courage or was it just something that was just was and it was unspoken?

00:50:56:19 - 00:51:23:16
Kim
It just was. And it wasn't encouraged nor discouraged. You know, it was like that's who we were from a very, very young age. I had night terrors and I and I was sleepwalking from almost from when I had my own bedroom from about the age of, you know, two, I don't remember. And I can remember having really vivid things happening to me and or hearing things and feeling things.

00:51:23:19 - 00:51:43:29
Kim
It was always about me losing something. Even as a young child. It was about me losing something and the panic of not being able to find something. And as I got older, it always became about keys and I'd lose. I'd lose a key. I was locked in or I was locked out, or I'd lock someone in or block someone out.

00:51:44:02 - 00:52:10:00
Kim
These keys, I mean, I would wake up in a sweat of terror where these where these keys became so important that I truly believed when I woke up in the morning, I've thrown the car keys away or the house keys away or something I never had. Some years later, when I was running workshops, I had a I was working with a psychiatrist called Dr. Brenda DAVIES.

00:52:10:00 - 00:52:33:21
Kim
She was a spook till she was a real psychiatrist, a qualified psycho. She was a spiritual psychiatrist. And we were doing a workshop about regression, and I was the facilitator of the workshop and sitting next to her and she started to talk about what would happen, what was going to happen later that day when she was going to start regressing the group.

00:52:33:24 - 00:53:08:13
Kim
So as she was talking, something happened to me where I started to go back in time and and I'm saying to her, Brenda, stop talking. Something's happening to me. And I completely, almost lost control of my senses. And she said, No, go with it, Kim. Keep going with it. Where are you? And in England, there's a name of a Victorian prison that was used for people with mega mental issues and remember the name of it now.

00:53:08:13 - 00:53:33:28
Kim
But suddenly I was there in this prison as a prison warder. A woman had a black dress on with a tight waist and a big skirt, and around my waist was a belt with a massive bunch of keys. And I can remember hearing people screaming, shouting, and the noise was just phenomenal. And I'm speaking this as I'm seeing it and as I'm living it.

00:53:34:00 - 00:53:54:17
Kim
And and I left the prison and I came out to this space. So there was a river and I got the keys and I threw the keys in the river and sat down and literally started to pull the hair out of my head like that, like a mad woman. And then she said to me, And what happened next?

00:53:54:19 - 00:54:19:03
Kim
And I said to her, I'm walking, I'm walking. She said, Where are you going? And I went into the woods and I hung myself. And as I said to her, I hung myself. My nose literally started to pull with blood and people were like rushing and getting tissues and pushing them up. Me and saying that, you all right, I'm just exhausted.

00:54:19:10 - 00:54:41:18
Kim
And my nose didn't stop bleeding for about an hour. It was just going and going and going. And I got to I just don't know where that came from. I never had to dream about keys again after that. And it was the keys to the cells in this prison where I'd left people locked in these cells. Maybe it wasn't the only of case, I don't know.

00:54:41:21 - 00:55:01:02
Kim
But through this regression, it's like it just cleared something, something from a past life. So as much as you know, we talk about ghost stories, it's when we have real life situations. I wonder how many are attached to past life situations.

00:55:01:05 - 00:55:17:02
Sasha
One how that's that's an incredible story. That is an incredible, incredible story. So, Kim, did you would you say that you grew up in a haunted house?

00:55:17:04 - 00:55:38:27
Kim
I didn't grow up in a haunted house, but I did live in the haunted house. And back in the early nineties, I was living in London and my husband and I had an apartment and I had a young baby. We were on the third floor and we were desperate to move into a house. And it was a time here in the UK where as a soundboard went up, it was sold.

00:55:38:27 - 00:56:06:23
Kim
You had to be so quick to move and a house came up to sell very nearby to where we were living. Perfect location didn't particularly like the house, but was so desperate to get in a house and we put in an offer which was accepted and just before we were due to exchange our contracts, I just had a really bad feeling about it and I went in to see the the estate agents and I said, I don't want to go ahead with this.

00:56:06:23 - 00:56:27:04
Kim
And they said, No, no, no. If you don't go ahead with it, you're not going to move. You could be stuck living in their flat for years. So we did and we moved into this house and it was called the Glen, and it was in this cul de sac. It was it was a very strange house. It was a two storey house, a three storey house, and the bedrooms are on the top floor.

00:56:27:07 - 00:56:46:22
Kim
And there was one room which actually was my, my son's bedroom that was always cold. It didn't matter. You could touch the heating, the radiator would be boiling hot, but the room was ice cold and there was just always this sort of weird feeling in in his room in particular. I mean, on hindsight now, I should have moved him out the room.

00:56:46:22 - 00:57:13:28
Kim
But anyway, but I can remember he was he was just about walking then and talking and going into his room and seen him standing up in his cot, pointing and laughing at something. And I would pull into my psyche and to see a little girl with a teddy bear, like running around the room. And I could see her and he could see her, and it was all quite innocent.

00:57:14:00 - 00:57:44:12
Kim
There was nothing. It wasn't threatening, it wasn't anything horrible. And and then sometimes we would see all this bouncing off the room. And even my husband, he doesn't really believe in anything outside of the normal and said, you know, there's something going on in this room. Martin, I my husband and I went out one night and his mother came to babysit and she was in Alexander My son's room, changing his nappy, his diaper.

00:57:44:14 - 00:58:16:28
Kim
And when we got in, she went, Tim, you have to move out of this house. And I said, Why? And she said, Because I was changing Alexander's bottom. She said, And I saw someone standing by the door and I said, okay, I know there's somebody here, but it's not sinister. It's not it's not dark. But then it started to get that way where I take my son into the room and he would scream and I'd take him out the window and he would stop.

00:58:16:28 - 00:58:38:09
Kim
So we obviously had to take him out the room and just like a real ghost story, I had a rocking chair in the room and one day I came there on my own and the chair moved it just very subtly just moved like this. And we were terrified. Honestly, almost in the middle of the night, we jumped in the car.

00:58:38:12 - 00:59:00:01
Kim
We drove to one of our parents house and said like it was just too spooky. At that time, I knew a lady who was a very well-known psychic in the area and she'd been running circles for donkey's years and I'd spoken to her about it, and she said to me, Kym, you have to go back to the house because you've got to clear it and don't take your son with you.

00:59:00:03 - 00:59:23:18
Kim
Leave your husband and your son wherever they are. You have to go back alone. This is this is your job. So I went back to the house, went into the room, and the temperature dropped. Like as I walked to the room, it dropped to the freezing. Like it was just so, so cold. And I can remember sitting on the floor with my back to the radiator, which was very hot.

00:59:23:18 - 00:59:45:16
Kim
And I remember shivering with the cold. And this lady was on the phone and she said, I'm going to tell you what to do, called the Spirit. And I went, No. And she went cold. The spirit came and I went, I can't. I was so terrified. And she was she said to me, Pull yourself together. Cool the spirit, get him here.

00:59:45:17 - 01:00:09:09
Kim
And just as she said that in this rocking chair from my third eye, I saw a man sitting in a in an army uniform all ripped and ragged, and the chair literally started to move. I thought I was going to have a heart attack. And she's saying to me on the phone, Pull yourself together. Do not show weakness.

01:00:09:11 - 01:00:33:08
Kim
Ask him what he wants, asking why he's here. So it turns out. So I said to this man, Why are you here? So The house was on a lifeline, which I didn't know when we bought it, and it was on across the railway line. A very powerful point of of, you know, spiritual stuff and movement and and ghosts, etc..

01:00:33:10 - 01:00:59:23
Kim
And he told me that he was from World War One, that he was a major and that he had led his battalion into battle, knowing that they were all going to die, one by watched them as they were gunned down. And he said to me, I can't go over, he said, because his guilt was just beyond anything that he could deal with.

01:00:59:25 - 01:01:29:27
Kim
So he'd been he'd been floating around the, you know, the the Earth plane for decades. And and she was guiding me and she said, tell him he has to go to the light. Bring in the light. And I could see him as clear as day. And I started to calm down. Now, the fear that sort of left me, I'm not going to say I was comfortable with it, but the spiritual left me is as he as we began to talk.

01:01:30:00 - 01:02:05:02
Kim
And then suddenly I got a feeling of this mother and I said to him, Your mum is here. She's come to get you. And he wouldn't go. He wouldn't go. And almost you would think I'm mad, actually. But almost from nowhere I saw this hand come out, come out from the the middle of the room to take his hand and pulled him up and, and he went and within seconds the heat in the room just came to normal like the rest of the house.

01:02:05:04 - 01:02:29:07
Kim
And so the psychic lady said to me, and so now we have to we have to lock the house down. We have to psychically protect the house. And so she taught me or showed me or guided me into how to bring a pyramid of light around the house, to look into the earth, to check it, to make sure there were no in this vortex of light that we had brought down.

01:02:29:10 - 01:02:51:18
Kim
And and that was it. And then, you know, the whole energy of the house changed. But we did put it on the market and sell it because I couldn't couldn't cope with it. It was like it just left a really uneasy taste, particularly with a small child in the house. And that's what we did. We sold the house and moved on that last.

01:02:51:20 - 01:02:54:21
Sasha
Have you ever been back past the house since you moved?

01:02:54:24 - 01:03:14:26
Kim
I have a few years back. I drove past the house and what was odd, the all the other houses and I was at a had had work done. I you know, there'd been, you know, new windows and doors and this house was exactly as we'd left it. And that was, you know, 20 odd years ago. And they hadn't spent a penny on it.

01:03:14:29 - 01:03:33:23
Kim
But it was also the one house in the in the glen, which was the name of the cul de sac that was no one ever lived there for more than two years. And it was like this constant turnover of people buying the house and moving the house and not understanding or realizing why. But it was a very unlucky house.

01:03:33:23 - 01:03:52:13
Kim
It was it was a house full of very. And it was a house. No, not sadness for us as a family, but you could just feel there was just something you didn't feel like home when you walked through the door. And all the years that we lived there, I never walked through that door. And so, you know, it's nice to be home.

01:03:52:15 - 01:03:58:28
Kim
And sometimes I used to think, I don't even want to go through the door and didn't really understand why.

01:03:59:00 - 01:04:25:27
Sasha
It's interesting, isn't it? Because I think it can be hard sometimes to differentiate between yourself and a place that you were living. Yeah, I think some people are kind of haunted in and of themselves. Like my would be that some people, it's people who are haunted and other times it's definitely a place that is haunted. You know? How how do you tell how how does someone differentiate?

01:04:25:27 - 01:04:28:08
Sasha
Is it me or is it me or is it you?

01:04:28:12 - 01:04:46:21
Kim
HOUSE Exactly. But I think also when you start to see your behavior change in in certain places, it's like I'm always like this when I'm there, but I'm always like this when I'm over there. And it's, you know, I think sometimes things need a little bit of investigation.

01:04:46:24 - 01:05:02:13
Sasha
It's interesting. So because just the same way that different people will bring will make you feel or even make you act in certain ways, right? When you're sharing energy with any person, then that same thing would hold true for spaces, places, homes, right?

01:05:02:15 - 01:05:25:05
Kim
Yeah, definitely. Definitely. And I know also because, you know, my other half is that I am a feng shui consultant. I qualified back in the nineties and the amount of houses that I've walked in and can instantly feel that energy like I can feel if it's a nice home, I can feel if it's a friendly home and I can feel that if there's if there's a dark energy in the home.

01:05:25:05 - 01:05:47:09
Kim
And although that's not part of that job, you know, for me to do that, like in myself, I think, well, I can see why you're having issues, because there's something here that's greater. But not everybody wants to hear that. Not everybody wants to hear, you know, that you might have a ghost in the attic. It's like they just want to that when they know that don't want to know it.

01:05:47:12 - 01:06:15:03
Sasha
And I certainly sometimes is, you know, living with something spooky. Ignorance can be your best friend, you know. So that's certainly a very human a very human response that these are such interesting tales, stories that you're telling. I I'd love to ask you, what's the scariest experience that's ever happened to you? But what you've already shared is so harrowing.

01:06:15:03 - 01:06:15:19
Sasha
Do you have.

01:06:15:19 - 01:06:18:07
Kim
One? Is enough one funny enough?

01:06:18:09 - 01:06:19:20
Speaker 4
There's.

01:06:19:22 - 01:06:41:21
Kim
Yeah, because I was thinking, you know, when you invited me on, I was thinking of scary stories. And then suddenly they all started flooding back from the pub. But many years ago I went, my husband, I went to a place called Jersey. It's a Channel island off the English coast, and it's between France and England. And there's not much happens there.

01:06:41:21 - 01:07:03:21
Kim
It's got nice beaches and good restaurants and there's not much else there. But there is a big history there. And the history is that during World War Two, the Germans invaded Jersey and took it, took it over. Well, it is a point place. Forgive and forgive if anyone lives in Jersey in them of off the coast of England.

01:07:03:23 - 01:07:23:04
Kim
So we did some tours while we were there. There's still some things to see. And one of the things that we went to see was the Jersey War Tunnels, which are now also known as the German underground hospital. And we just it is something to do for a few hours one afternoon. But I had a bit of a strange feeling about this place.

01:07:23:06 - 01:07:38:23
Kim
I didn't know anything about it. It was, you know, we got on the coach and the tour guide took us to this place and people got off. And as I got off the coach, a voice in my head said, Don't go in. And I thought, God will be paid. Now, you know, my muscles are still going to be very happy with me.

01:07:38:23 - 01:08:00:23
Kim
It's like we just come all this way and I ignored it. So you it's a very eerie place and it's very barren. Although Jersey is a beautiful island, this actual place where the war tunnels are is very well. It was is very barren. It was there was nothing there. There was no real trees or flowers. It was just a big space.

01:08:00:26 - 01:08:27:26
Kim
So you go into the entrance of this place, you go down into the tunnels. And it was a hospital which I then found out through the tour guide that was used by the Nazis, by the Germans in the war. And some of the the rooms were used, human experiments. Anyway, I walked in there, my heart was beating the smell of the dump, and it was just it was just horrible.

01:08:27:26 - 01:09:02:07
Kim
It was so wicked down there. There was just something so horrible about this whole place. So we walked through these people dispersed to go and, you know, explore on their own. And I walked down this this corridor and on the side there were theaters that were set up exactly as they were set up during that time. And as I turned my head looked into this room, I saw man, a ghost dressed as a doctor with instruments in his hand.

01:09:02:10 - 01:09:22:23
Kim
And he turned and he looked at me and we literally locked eyes for about 5 seconds. I swear to God, I thought I was going to have a heart attack. It was so horrible. And I said to Martin, My husband said, we've got to get out of here, Martin, We've got to leave. I can't be here. And I think this is sensitive.

01:09:22:25 - 01:09:47:21
Kim
And that's why the voice in my head said, you're not to go in, do not go in, as the sense of was picking up all of this stuff. When we got back on this coat and waited for everyone else to get back on and everyone was talking about the experience, very animated and and I just thought that that was just the most horrible thing, the most frightening thing that I've ever experienced in my life.

01:09:47:23 - 01:10:05:03
Kim
When I got back to England, I used to run in my own circle of psychic circle, and I said to my group, like, we're going to go into the tunnel. We're going to just take ourselves there, we're going to put some light in. They're going to see if we can shift this energy that's been sitting stagnant for all of these decades.

01:10:05:05 - 01:10:29:08
Kim
So I opened the circle, bring in the protection, did everything that we normally do. And I was talking people through through the through the survey. And I said, look, we're just going into the entrance of the tunnel. And people the people in my group went, We can't go in there. Kim And I hadn't even told them. I just told them that I had a negative experience.

01:10:29:08 - 01:10:52:29
Kim
We needed to go in there and the message was so leave it alone. Do not interfere with this place. Because I do believe that there are places that have so much evil so that it doesn't matter how much good, how much light, how much love, you know, how much healing that you do in it. It cannot be fixed.

01:10:53:02 - 01:11:31:04
Kim
And I suppose that CNN, Yangon is dark and light and shadow work and all the rest of it. And and I think that there was some places that just they're just rotten. The core that we're not supposed to interfere with. And really for this little island, it was like a commercial venture. Now, you know, was a way of getting the tourists to go and spend some money and, you know, to see this place that, you know, I can still see when I was when I was thinking about this story the other day, preparing to talk to you, Sasha, I can still see this man as clear as day.

01:11:31:04 - 01:11:40:29
Kim
And I know he's still there. I know he's wandering those corridors. I know he's still there. And that's where he will be, probably for eternity.

01:11:41:02 - 01:11:49:10
Sasha
I'm so sorry you had to share space. Someone like that. Well, like me, into the face of pure evil, it sounds like.

01:11:49:13 - 01:12:10:04
Kim
Yeah, I believe it was. I really do believe it was. But again, it's one of those things. It did it, you know, I thought about it for quite a long time. It was frustration as well of not being able to do anything. And to, you know, to help to even put some light into that place. The place didn't want like it didn't want it.

01:12:10:06 - 01:12:21:26
Kim
And it just as we tried to push the light in the light was pushed back and that's when we just stopped the circle and said, no, we're not to go there. We're not to venture there. Wow.

01:12:21:28 - 01:13:00:29
Sasha
Wow. Amazing, amazing and scary and and the implications of that, the implications of places that are that thick and that waited and makes me even curious that, you know, talking about yin and yang if kind of the world the dichotomy of the physical world that we live in that we inhabit are shared by those things. And I and I wonder if yeah, I wonder what would be strong enough to dissipate that right with the entire island have.

01:13:01:00 - 01:13:02:04
Speaker 4
To be.

01:13:02:06 - 01:13:30:18
Kim
Outside the. Yeah, yeah, yeah I, I don't know. I mean it was something that I only ever experienced once in my life, something that was that dark. I'd never experienced it since, and I hadn't experienced it before, and I don't want to experience it again because it was something. And I think that, you know, for anyone that's listening, when your intuition tells you something, be guided by it because it's it's there for a reason.

01:13:30:20 - 01:13:51:04
Kim
But, you know, I do believe that I have to see that. I do believe I had to experience that. And I think, you know, when we work in a world of, you know, trying to work with the light all the time and work with it, that sometimes we have to see that side of it just to be reminded that there's a very fine line between the light and the dark.

01:13:51:07 - 01:14:07:01
Sasha
Yes. Yes. wow. So do you feel like you're someone who takes your work home with you or is is it easy for you to erect boundaries when you're doing energy work? And what does that feel like for you?

01:14:07:04 - 01:14:28:08
Kim
I think I can I can put boundaries up. I mean, there is no doubt about that. And but that's come with experience. And over time, that wasn't always the case. And I think that when I first started to become serious about, you know, the line of work that I went into, you have to because I think you would demand otherwise.

01:14:28:08 - 01:14:50:10
Kim
And, you know, it's no different to doing the reading for a client that's having a really distressing situation. And I can remember years ago, you know, a client might tell me something so horrible and I think I might in bed at night thinking that plea, doing that poor man, is that what's going on? But you can't because you can't absorb everybody's issues.

01:14:50:10 - 01:15:04:23
Kim
So I think that again, with experience you learn to just detach and and just crack on with your own life that but still mindful of what's going on.

01:15:04:25 - 01:15:17:14
Sasha
And do you think in that way that there was a like you there was a reason that you saw that figure. What do you think that reason was?

01:15:17:16 - 01:15:41:14
Kim
Because I think that, you know, you often that saying of love and light and you know when you when you work on on our level it's that's what it's mostly about. And and I think that we it's not that we forget it. So I think we need to be reminded that again you know that this stuff exists exists in the dark and exists the light.

01:15:41:16 - 01:16:05:22
Kim
And and I think sometimes we just need that short, sharp shock to just say, well, you know, carry on doing what you're doing because you're doing it well and you're doing it the best you can. But there's still that that thing over here, you know, And it's and to me also it's sometimes when meeting people wait, you know, I always wonder when you meet someone and think, I like that person, they've done nothing to you.

01:16:05:22 - 01:16:27:09
Kim
They said nothing to you. There was nothing that that's given them any of you any reason to dislike them. But you just do. And I have to think, Well, what's that all about? Why don't I like that person? What is it about them? And, you know, and I think so getting back to the question, the the difference between work in why did I see that situation?

01:16:27:11 - 01:16:47:20
Kim
I think I just had to be reminded that, you know, this exists and it's not all love and light. We can do our bit. But you know, there is another side and another to this and we have to be so careful when we work with spirit work because we don't know what we're conjuring up. We don't know what we're disturbing.

01:16:47:22 - 01:17:06:13
Kim
And to respectful of spirit, you know, the spirit, you know, maybe you get this also, Sasha, people come for reading the maxim, Have you got my mum there from the spirit world? And I well, it doesn't really work like that, you know, It's like I can't just say, well, hold on a minute. I'll just. Just grab her, see if she's there.

01:17:06:16 - 01:17:33:11
Kim
It's like if they want to make contact, they will and they'll do it very subtly and very beautifully. Usually that's how it happens. But we have to remember that there is this dark side. You know in the minute we as as vessels of working with Spirit open up, you know, that we can be open to anything. We can be open to darkness as well as light, even though, you know, we we're not interested in that side.

01:17:33:11 - 01:17:35:22
Kim
We're only interested in the good.

01:17:35:24 - 01:17:55:14
Sasha
Yes. And so it's interesting. So it's once you see something that you can't unsee, you'll also recognize it should you ever come across it again. And so then it becomes very much a not while it wasn't a comfortable thing to experience, it's something that becomes a safeguard for you.

01:17:55:16 - 01:17:57:21
Kim
Yeah, yeah.

01:17:57:23 - 01:17:59:09
Sasha
Not very.

01:17:59:12 - 01:18:26:06
Kim
I'm sure that there's people listening that maybe have experienced the psychic attack I've experienced to my life, and they were both very traumatic. And the one, the one that I had was few years ago now and I woke up and I was aware of this lady standing by the bed. And it this sounds ridiculous, but she was a lady who worked in a shop nearby.

01:18:26:07 - 01:18:48:03
Kim
Nearby And where I lived, I didn't know this lady just recognized her. And and I opened I can remember I opened my eyes. My husband was next to me. And I and I can remember saying in my head, why are you here? And as I said, that she fell into me, literally pinned me down, and I couldn't move a muscle in my body.

01:18:48:06 - 01:19:26:11
Kim
I was like this, just trying to get her off. And I called in the angels and I pulled in my guides. Nothing happened. I was still paralyzed through to the space, to my bed and even, like I said, I have real issues with the church and all of this stuff. That's another story. But I started to say the Lord's Prayer and as I started to say it, this thing, this Anthony entity moved off of me and, you know, I slept for weeks after that with the whole light on because I was too frightened to turn the light of that.

01:19:26:11 - 01:19:47:13
Kim
A friend of mine who was a very renowned psychic, not the same ladies who he did the house clearing with me. And I said, you know, it's really odd. It was the lady from the shop down the road who was on the till. I don't know why it was her. And she said, you know, why came Because a psychic attack often catches you off guard.

01:19:47:15 - 01:20:09:04
Kim
So the minute you questioned, Why are you here? She said it was a split second that the attack happened. She said if it had been someone that you knew, it would be, you would have asked a different question or you would have reacted differently. She said It could have been anyone. And so a psychic attack is is a horrible thing.

01:20:09:07 - 01:20:13:11
Kim
I had two in my life and they were both horrible.

01:20:13:13 - 01:20:31:04
Sasha
I want to hear if you'll share those. I would love we'd love to hear about them. Would would you explain, though, first define for the people listening. What is the intention of a psychic attack or what exactly? How would you define a psychic? It's all.

01:20:31:06 - 01:20:54:06
Kim
So. But I think they're different for different people. For me, you know, often they happen in the night when you're at your most vulnerable or you know, you're not sleep dozy state and your body's completely relaxed and so that you are open to that. Now, this psychic, this particular psychic heart attack happened two weeks before I opened first new aid shop.

01:20:54:09 - 01:21:15:25
Kim
So I was right in the throes of putting stuff on the shelves, my tarot cards, my book, The Crystals. You know, everything was was being put together to open the shop. And that's when that psychic attack happened. And I do believe that it was like a force that didn't want me to open that shop. And you know, this a big story of what happened after that.

01:21:15:25 - 01:21:44:02
Kim
But this is way too long to tell you. But and that that was she said, you know, they're trying to stop you, Kim, because they know that this shop is going to be a force for good and they don't want you to do that. And then the second psychic attack happened a few years later, and something else happened at that time with where the roof of the shop literally fell in while I was in the and the night before I'd had this psychic attack.

01:21:44:02 - 01:22:16:03
Kim
But that psychic attack was like it was almost like a warning. I was feeling incredibly vulnerable. There was stuff going on psychically and and I had a similar experience where I was pinned to the bed and couldn't move. And but I knew this time how to how to move the energy, how to how to shift it. And then that very weekend, we had a heavy rainfall and my shop had a flat roof that was like a standalone shop.

01:22:16:06 - 01:22:42:19
Kim
And I was in the shop. The roof came in, the whole lot came down while I was in the fire brigade because all this stuff happened and it was around the same time. So I believed that something nasty had got close to me then and it was probably just, you know, working wholly in the energy of doing psychic work.

01:22:42:21 - 01:23:20:26
Sasha
Wow. So interesting too, because you are such a you you're a community builder. You build stores, you build shops, you build tarot decks, books. You know, you really someone who does work with the invisible world, with the paranormal, you're you bring a lot of physicality tentacles, if you will, right? What we call them in the tarot world. So it's, it it makes sense that you would be a target for those things which don't want to be moved out of that space.

01:23:20:26 - 01:23:22:04
Sasha
Right. Or Yes.

01:23:22:09 - 01:23:49:05
Kim
Absolutely. Yeah. But you say yes. So I was a target physically from the church and the target psychically from whatever was going on at that time, because the attacks the second the second attack, as I said, it was, it was almost the same as the first, except that I didn't get that minute warning or that 32nd warning that something was going to happen.

01:23:49:07 - 01:24:08:20
Kim
But the interesting thing was that all day I felt very uneasy and for no reason. You look, sometimes you get the feeling that something horrible is going to happen and you can't put your finger on it. But everything you seems very settled and very okay and very normal. And that psychic attack happened that night just before the shop.

01:24:08:22 - 01:24:39:20
Kim
That business literally went under, went under a load of water. And and it was devastating. And and I think then what happened after that is that I walked away from all of the work for a while, maybe six months, maybe close to a year. I just felt like I just needed to breathe. I needed to step away from it because it was all very intense and it was, you know, the the physical attacks as well from the church and everything else.

01:24:39:20 - 01:24:59:27
Kim
It was like I just had to set it up to here. It was like, I can't even I can't even do my work because there's a pastor sticking his nose up at me and, you know, trying to stop me do what I'm doing. So it's it's been a fight on the spirit world and on the physical world as well.

01:24:59:29 - 01:25:06:00
Sasha
You feel like things are easier for you now in 2024, that things have eased up a bit on you?

01:25:06:02 - 01:25:27:16
Kim
yes, absolutely. And I think know, the title conference celebrated 20 years this year. And I think that when I first started the tarot conference, you know, people were still a little bit wary of talking about tarot. If you were a terror leader, you found your group, but you didn't really discuss it with all and sundry. And now you know, nobody cares.

01:25:27:16 - 01:25:46:05
Kim
Now it's fine. Know we can talk about tarot freely and easily and and be proud of what we do. And that's the difference. So, yeah, definitely. You know, these 20, 23, 2024 is has been wonderful for that. I think we've all been accepted.

01:25:46:07 - 01:26:11:13
Sasha
I think that and that and I think that's true for so many things, you know, not just tarot. I'm I remember my first book came out in 2011 and and even in back in 2011, you couldn't walk into any bookstore and find tarot decks on the shelves, you know. So yeah. So I mean, talk about the evolution of and the evolution of awareness and acceptance.

01:26:11:13 - 01:26:33:17
Sasha
I think that I think that people tend to have a grim a grim look at the world and understandably so when you look at the news and everything that's going on all at once. But I think that there's a lot of interest and a lot of expansion of consciousness, which is uncertain. Yes. I mean, great hope. Great hope.

01:26:33:19 - 01:26:35:22
Sasha
Did you have any other spooky stories you've like?

01:26:35:28 - 01:26:46:05
Kim
I think I'm done with it. With spooky stories, I think, yeah. You know, they're the big ones. They're the big ones. The other ones that just run in the mail that. No.

01:26:46:08 - 01:27:19:15
Sasha
I think I need a shot of whiskey after the race. I mean, they're so they're so intense, so I'd love I'd love to ask you sort of as a as a final question, I suppose, you know, all of the experiences that you've had, what is your inclination of of where we were before we were born and what is your hunch on what happens to us after we comes out of this life?

01:27:19:17 - 01:27:21:18
Sasha
Are your thoughts on that?

01:27:21:20 - 01:27:46:01
Kim
well, that's a big question. I am. Where where do we go? Well, I know that we that there is an option of reincarnation. I know that because, you know, because I've experienced past lives. The I think it's a it's a hard question, Sasha, you know, but I think that I think that when we die as soul fragments, I think our soul goes on.

01:27:46:01 - 01:28:17:16
Kim
I don't think our soul comes back, holy of us. And the reason that is, you know, when you get people in the world like Hitler, Stalin, you know, these people that were so wicked, like, how come how can they come back as a full being with the soul that they had. So I believe I think I don't know if I believe this, but I think I believe that soul fragments and part of you comes back and part of you is there as a new person or new being.

01:28:17:19 - 01:28:37:07
Kim
Where do we go before this? Well, I'm not really sure, but the only thing I do know is that I do I do with my group. Sometimes we do a meditation and we do meditation where we go through the chakra colors and then we go to the color black. But it's not a black. That's that's frightening. It's a black.

01:28:37:10 - 01:29:04:26
Kim
The behind your eyes, you see the black is a comforting black that you find yourself in your mother's womb. And there is a womb of darkness, but a beating heart and is this heart that is full of love, full of joy, full of excitement, full of and full of hope, I suppose. And then from that black, we then go back one more like, where are you now?

01:29:04:28 - 01:29:30:13
Kim
And that's where the stories start to build up with what the different people in the group experience from going back out the other side. And some people and again, I can only share what I, what I've experienced through my grief. And it's a lovely meditation because it takes ages and you're really in a deep, deep state of being.

01:29:30:16 - 01:29:56:27
Kim
And then to you, those in the black, you go in the mother's womb, you go back one more and some people find themselves in a place of not in a physical place, but in a state almost like being hovering on the ether, that a place of beauty, a place of peace, quiet and and almost life is like heaven, literally.

01:29:57:00 - 01:30:31:06
Kim
And then some people find themselves actually tricked into a life from before. So it's different things from different people. So I'm going to be open to all that. I like to think that, you know, when we come into this world, when a newborn baby comes, this world that they've had a lovely journey to get there and you know, that it's been and that they are on a journey of hope, a bit like the fall in Tarot that they're on a journey of hope to start their journey through the 78 cards and all that they bring with them.

01:30:31:09 - 01:30:44:17
Sasha
Love that in him. This has been an absolutely fascinating conversation and I cannot thank you enough for sharing yourself your stories, your wisdom with us.

01:30:44:20 - 01:31:00:29
Kim
Thank you, Sasha. It's been such a pleasure. It's been such a pleasure to talk about this stuff because it's been well locked away for so long. You know, all these stories, they're in my head and they're in my life and, you know, I've never shared them before. So thank you for the opportunity.

01:31:01:01 - 01:31:05:09
Sasha
Thank for trusting us in the space with sharing this stuff.

01:31:05:12 - 01:31:07:00
Kim
Yeah. Thank you.

01:31:07:03 - 01:31:41:11
Sasha
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01:31:41:13 - 01:31:59:11
Sasha
The Ghost Stories by the Fire theme song is titled The Lovely from the original motion picture score of The Deeper You Dig a film about the lengths a mother will go to to find her daughter's killer. Thanks again for listening. And until next time, I'm saving you a seat at the fire.